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Media Mayhem: The real Climategate
A spurious debate over purloined e-mails overshadows evidence that climate change is worse than we thought.

By

Ken Edelstein
Tue, Dec 01 2009 at 7:25 AM
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There’s nothing people like more than a good fight. How else to explain that e-mails stolen from a climate research center in Great Britain warranted, in just a few days, more than 15,000 blog comments, wall-to-wall cable coverage and a front page article in the New York Times, while the most comprehensive review of actual climate change research since 2007 went virtually unnoticed?
 
First, allow me to tell to you what -- if you judge by the small amount of ink spilled on the subject -- shouldn’t concern us: That comprehensive review of recent studies shows that climate change is worse than scientists previously thought it would be by now. Glaciers are disappearing at record rates. Sea levels may rise seven feet by the end of the century. Storms and droughts are getting more extreme. And action needs to be taken now or we won’t be able to stabilize the climate for generations.
 
Hey, what’s the big deal? The real news is that the e-mails purloined from that research center show that some scientists are, well, catty. They’re not fond of people who make a living calling them liars. They support scientists who agree with them and undermine those who don’t. Sometimes they’ll go to great lengths not to share their data -- especially from critics.
 
There’s only one word to describe this Earth-shattering “scandal”: CLIMATEGATE!
 
Yes, “Climategate!” That’s what skeptics have dubbed revelations that popped up on the web Nov. 19 in the form of a link from a blog to hacked e-mails from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia. No superlative was too grand to describe it.
 
“This is not a smoking gun; this is a mushroom cloud,” exclaimed Patrick J. Michaels, one in a handful of climate scientists who are skeptical of human-caused climate change.
 
The fevered fingers of typing skeptics pounded out vindication with every keystroke. One post on WattsUpWithThat.com drew 1,574 celebratory comments at my last count. Climate Audit, the most authoritative of the skeptics’ blogs, got so busy that its operator needed to move it temporarily to a “mirror site.” And the Air Vent, the less-trafficked blog that first published some of the stolen e-mails, became a hotbed of anti-warming discussion, with at least 11 posts and nearly 2,000 comments in its first five days on the subject.
 
“This is a scandal with proportions that reach past all of the imaginations of a skeptics mind,” the Air Vent’s publisher, who writes under the pseudonym JeffId, declared. “... These many e-mails demonstrate that climate science is absolutely not a natural consensus but a forced one with leftist governmental goals, manipulated from the IPCC on downward to give the impression of certainty of knowledge.”
 
You know how it goes from there. Loud noises on the blogosphere translate into story lines for talk radio and Fox News. Then, the other cable and news stations, the national newspapers, and the wire services amplify the story.
 
Ever vigilant to defend the integrity of science from dismantled communists, Rush Limbaugh spent much of his week, including his entire Nov. 24 show, on “Climategate.” He reminded listeners what he’s been warning us for years: “It’s the biggest lie, the biggest scam, the biggest fraud in the history of the world.”
 

 
Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., rushed onto Fox to announce an investigation of agencies and scientists that “all along have been trying to hide the real, avoid the real, science about this notion of global warming.”
 
One little catch: Amid the maelstrom, it’s difficult to say whether anything in the climate unit’s 13 years of e-mails should change anyone’s understanding of the actual science behind climate change.
 
Bare-knuckled academic politics certainly is on display in the e-mails. One scientist appears to have celebrated the death of an adversarial colleague. Another tries to get an unfriendly scientist kicked out as editor of a journal.
 
In many cases, the scientists corresponding with each other on the e-mails come across as hunkered down against skeptics in the battle for public opinion -- plotting where to release a bit of information or how to avoid giving the skeptics ammo.
 
It seems that one leading scientist -- Phil Jones, the head of the Climate Research Unit (CRU) -- engaged in an ill-advised effort to avoid releasing documents to the public under Great Britain’s Freedom of Information law. University officials argued that was because much of the proprietary data was acquired from third parties on the grounds that it would remain private. But Jones also appeared to want to keep the inner workings of his colleagues’ work out of the hands of skeptics. He feared they would comb over every detail to find points that could be twisted out of context for political purposes.
 
Now, Jones’ fears have been realized -- and then some. The hack of CRU’s emails appears to have been a sophisticated job. Using a computer in Turkey and a server in Russia, the e-mail hacker posted just over 1,300 of what must have been far, far more e-mails among CRU scientists and their colleagues around the world in 13 years. Then, the hacker posted a link to the e-mails on comments to the Air Vent and other blogs.
 
Skeptics’ blogs spent the next week plucking out the e-mails with nefarious-sounding wording as supposed evidence that the overwhelming evidence of man-made climate change had been undermined. The phrasing that has grabbed the most attention was this sentence from a 10-year-old e-mail sent by Jones to three other scientists: “I’ve just completed Mike’s nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e. from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”
 
At first, glance that looks pretty deceptive. But there’s a legitimate explanation for the words “trick” and “hide.” Jones himself, as well as other scientists, explained that he was using the words colloquially, to shorthand a perfectly acceptable and publicly discussed approach to correcting a well-known glitch in a specific data set.
 
That explanation didn’t make it onto dozens of skeptics’ posts and comments. Nor did it move Fox News conspiracy theorist Glenn Beck, who read it in measured, knowing tones before declaring:
 
“This is what appears to be going on behind the scenes, and literally trillions of dollars of policy decisions are being based on what these guys are telling us. ... We told you what was going on without proof because we listened to our gut. You’d never believe me, but once again here we are with yet another brand new reality.”
 

 
But there’s “new reality” and then there’s new reality. Beck didn’t talk about the real new reality, which was released the next day in the form of “the Copenhagen Diagnosis,” a review by 26 climate research scientists of peer-reviewed studies since 2007.
 
They found that “global carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels in 2008 were nearly 40 percent higher than those in 1990” and that the rise in global temperatures over that time has pretty much tracked what climate scientists’ models have been saying would occur if emissions continued to rise.
 
They also reported that:
 
*The glaciers, the Greenland ice sheet and the Antarctic ice sheets all are melting at an increasing rate.
 
*Sea levels have risen nearly twice as fast as the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change projected in 2007 -- about an inch-and-half a year for the last 15 years.
 
*Chances are increasing that the climate system will reach “tipping points” where a cascade of changes become irreversible.
 
*And, finally global, emissions must peak in the next decade and must be followed by steep declines if we’re to avoid global temperature increases above 2 degrees Celsius, which many scientists fear would serve as a point beyond which changes will become unmanageable.
A problem from the mainstream media’s perspective is that we’ve heard all that before, or at least something like it. According to the old journalistic saw, “when a dog bites a man, that is not news, because it happens so often. But if a man bites a dog, that is news."
 
News by that definition is less a reflection what’s important than what’s novel, which makes it susceptible to the manipulation of those who can come up with the freshest story line. And when an entire community is built up around feeding that story line to the media, the manipulations can eclipse the truth quite regularly.
 
The less dramatic truth about the purloined e-mails is that, in 13 years of e-mails, there was so little evidence of the manipulation of science. It seems to me that climate skeptics undermined their credibility by overstating what they’d found. The real “Climategate” is the failure of the mainstream media to discern what is true and significant from what is petty but dramatic, and the complicity of many in the media in outright lies.
 
That’s not to pretend that the e-mails amount to some sort of coup for those who want to see climate action. Jones’ apparent effort to skirt the Freedom of Information request and the nasty treatment by leading climatologists of colleagues who disagreed with them underscore that both diplomacy and openness are crucial in a debate that has become as political as it is scientific.
 
One scientist whose e-mails show up in the CRU cache predicts the controversy will blow over and ultimately vindicate him and his colleagues. That’s wishful thinking.
 
Regardless of its accuracy, a myth about the CRU e-mails already has been established. Fox’s David Asman encapsulates it this way: “New e-mails from global warming theorists appear to show that they have been covering up evidence that the Earth isn’t warming as much as they thought it was. In fact, it might actually be cooling a bit. Furthermore, there’s not as much evidence that man is responsible for climate change as has been claimed by Al Gore and others.”
 
That myth -- unsupported by the e-mails that so far have come to light -- now joins other shibboleths of climate skeptics: temperatures have dropped over the last decade; data linking carbon increases to rising temperatures has been discredited; Americans are being asked to sacrifice more than anyone else; and so on. Repeated often enough by skeptics and their friends on Fox and talk radio, they are then treated in the news media as one legitimate side in a debate -- even though the facts say otherwise.
 
The resulting confusion won’t stop us from dealing with climate change. Reality -- in the form of melting glaciers, rising sea levels, massive refugee problems, and other catastrophes -- will force us to respond in some fashion. Eventually. But the confusion will slow and weaken our response.
 
“Climategate” hasn’t created a mushroom cloud. But it has thickened the fog surrounding the debate that has caused us to wander far too slowly toward action.
 
Also on MNN:
• MNN blogger discusses 'Cimategate' on FOX News.
• Could 'Climategate' lead to better science? 
 
Journalist Ken Edelstein writes the Media Mayhem column for the Mother Nature Network. From various coffee shops in Atlanta, he publishes an environmental news site at MyGreenATL.com.

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33noa333 Oct 18 2010 at 4:25 AM
Use mighty power of nature. In the northwestern Australia, we have huge tides, huge evaporation and huge dry rivers and lakes. Tides are up to 12m. Evaporation is up to 4m per year and can be increased. Huge 12m tidal erosion can revive old dry paleo dormant once mighty rivers, creeks and lakes, desalinate the country and change deserts to rain forests to provide more rain across Australia. World population is growing rapidly and we need more energy, food, land and water. see: Mitic CLIMATE ENGINEERING
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Bob Trueman Dec 28 2009 at 11:00 AM
The emotional nature of many folks' responses to the possibility of "climate change" makes all comment rather difficult. Would it be too much to suggest that anyone who has chosen to believe that a dangerous degree of planetary warming is occurring because of anthropogenic CO2 releases is doing their cause less than justice, if a) they scream too stridently, or b) they issue narratives which are not substantiated by empirical findings? Mr. Edelstein is a journalist. He writes like a journalist. He
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makes statements which grab attention, but for which he does not offer source information, and which are not substantiated in the real world. As a journalist, while it is possible that he is exceptional enough to care about this, it is on the face of it unlikely. One of journalism's simplest tricks is to get the headline up there, and to hell with what follows, most of the persuasion is already done. Very few readers get beyond the picture; some read the headline; fewer still read the caption; and only about 10% read the copy. A few examples to support my contention:- 1. It is simply not true that storms and droughts are getting more extreme. In fact, in the real world, the accumulated cyclone energy index, which measures the combined frequency, duration, and intensity of all hurricanes, typhoons, and tropical cyclones worldwide, is almost at its least value in half a century. There is no trend overall. 2.Sea levels are very very unlikely indeed to exceed a 20cm rise this century, which has been typical for most of the recent centuries. The seven feet idea is preposterous. This information comes from Professor Nils-Axel Morner, the single most experienced and respected specialist sea-level scientist with over 500 peer-reviewed papers to his name. 3. The IPCC reported that by 2035 the planet would be glacier-free. That is pure uncorrected error. The error has been traced back to a paper in which a researcher asserted that if present trends continued (they never do) then the earth MIGHT be glacier free by 2350. Nothing more than a simple proof-reading error. I would finally add that I am not "right wing", nor part of a "right wing" conspiracy.Not that it would matter - it is the EVIDENCE that matters, and Mr E fails to produce any.
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Mariss Dec 16 2009 at 7:29 PM

No matter what words you use, you cannot get away from the fact AGW "science" is now shown to be corrupt. The spell is broken and the global warming scare stories don't work anymore.

Come to terms with this reality: They lied to you and they made it all up. Shame on them, shame on you for believing it. There is no man-made global warming and there never was. There is only Mann-made global warming (as in Michael "Hockey Stick" Mann).

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Alan Feb 01 2010 at 5:52 AM

so how are we not pollutiing our planet are face masks in China cities just a ploy too? Is lung disease another ploy or do I need to be pittied and looked down on for being put under a spell, shame on me? dont deride a serious question with pity to make yourself sound like some friggin intelect.

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Charles.U.Farley Dec 02 2009 at 4:10 PM
Yes incredible. That people still argue the peer review science angle. The big problem with it ( as ive said before) is simply if you base your theory on flawed or fraudulent data then you can crow the peer review process until youre a deep shade of purple but the fact will remain- you based your theory on trash and it will be wrong and have no substance to it. The logic quite simply must follow that the data cannot then be trusted. But trust is a true believers thing, just like believing in santa
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claus or the tooth fairy, or other invisible friends like a big man in the sky..... Science is based on "Nullius in verba" ( on no ones word) and since Phil Jones and his band of data destroyers have had their way, then thats whats being asked , every single time people use the peer review trump card. "Trust me". Well er no thanks. Unfortunately that cards already trumped by having bogus data so it all needs to be run again to verify it. Even more unfortunately, the criminal destruction of the raw data means that no one, nope not even you true believers can test Professor Phils "theory" for yourself, but then you never feel the need to look any further than the ends of your noses for the facts and thats fine, just dont expect anyone else to swallow your agw nonsense.
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Alan Dec 02 2009 at 10:46 PM
I know a few people in the field of this study personally im not a scientist, but i've followed so much on it that to claim the whole thing is a conspiracy theory is bunk, I also read a whole chunk of the e-mails too and found nothing that gave into these guys covering up anything other than the fact that they had to redo their calculations because new data and measuring techniques were inadequate or wrong in representing the true effects. If you want to say its just a tax to screw people over
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well wall street do a good job of that without em, plus last time I checked taxes paid for roads and police etc, I cant with any good measure of conscience say were not doing anything to the atmosphere what makes it so special? I mean really if you can see the smog and other pollutants hanging in the air and it nesscesitates that you wear a mask in a lot of over crowded cities and we know that carbon levels are really really high, what makes the atmosphere so special why wouldnt it get hotter if it got thicker, im serious im super cereal what in gods name makes the atmosphere so bulletproof to our industry. Nothing does you guys dont have a crediable answer to that so even if models are wrong and they were lying i a regular joe six pack can tell you having billions of tons of C02 added to the atmoshpere aint good, just like animals know to disregard their own feceas wallowing in your own waste is a bad idea.
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Alan Dec 01 2009 at 11:45 PM
This is a serious case of missing the forest for the trees, we know in many of our planets cities our air is no longer fit to breathe, our food no matter where we source it from it tainted with pesticides and derivitive chemicals from plastic's that make it not fit to eat, cancer rates in fossil fuel based usage and mining areas are catastrophic for the the inhabitants, our biosphere's capacity to produce living organisims is collapsing under toxic stresses and morbid human over consumption, while
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prevantable diseases run rampant and wars over oil (and nothing else) are fought. Are any of you climate change deniers also going to deny these issues caused by our sloppy way of producing products and fueling our civilization, I welcome you to debate me on this. Nature is adpet at destroying that which is purtid and glib remarks and screaming matches over e-mails that communicate the frustration and disgust of climate scientists at skeptics will not for all the tea in china make a difference to rising sea levels or cancer or collapsed fish stocks or the potential extinction of human race it will only mean the sand you have your head burried in will be closer to the seashore or underneath it.
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gord Dec 01 2009 at 11:24 AM

Five years after Bush was proven a liar over WMD's in Iraq, people still believe him. It seems we have the same thing happening here. Who are the deniers now? I find human nature amusing as fringe elements from the left or right are far more similar than they would like to accept. Consider this myth "busted".

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Solarguy Nov 30 2009 at 8:23 PM
Whoever listens to Rush Limbaugh and Glen Beck are complete idiots. Of course since its not pro oil, then there not making money. Do something else invest in renewables. Ride the wave baby. . So hypothetically even if Climate Change is a hoax, how many jobs are you taking away from people that are turning to this for there future? Why would anyone want to take this away from an honest, hard working, law abiding citizen? Obviously these people have never had to make a living in the construction field.
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Just extremists that have been sitting behing a computer trying to undermine change. Ride the wave baby. ride the wave.
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M Btok Nov 30 2009 at 3:58 PM
I believe the Copenhagen Treaty Summit should be cancelled! How in God's name can this be considered a legal agreement when a "Huge Amount" of the basis for the "Climate Change Data" has been found to be "Fraudulently Sabotaged" and absolutely "Inaccurate"? This is signing a contract or agreement Document that has "No Legal Foundation" of Realistic conditions or elements due to "Inaccurate and Manipulated Data" as described and therefore, anything stated on this "Copenhagen Treaty Document" should
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be considered "Null and Void"! Why create a Pandora's Box, subject to "Lawsuits and Misgivings" due to total inaccuracy of "Scientific Measurements"? Which "Now" is proving to be the case! This Treaty has no Legal ground to stand on and is and will be a "False Document" from day one! Find out what Governments are doing behind your back, go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VebOTc-7shU
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algour Nov 29 2009 at 4:53 PM
Will everyone opposed to our gathering in Copenhagen please calm down. The MSM is on notice not to rock the boat. This just can't be postponed. It's about redistributing wealth among countries and into the pockets of a select few Co2 czars. Oh, I know it appears now that there is much uncertainty into man’s contribution to climate change now that the CRU research has been uncloaked. What is certain by my calculations is that billions of $$$$ will change hands and a fortunate few will become instantly
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wealthy beyond imagining if this can be rammed down everyone’s throat before real investigations are made into the CRU allegations. Since Phil & I are a couple of the lucky ones who orchestrated, er, organized this charade, er conference, please STFU until after Copenhagen. Sincerely, algour
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NucEngineer Nov 29 2009 at 12:43 PM

Anyone that would like to copy and repost may explaination of ClimateGate may do so.

Cheers.

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NucEngineer Nov 29 2009 at 12:36 PM
An easy explanation of what ClimateGate means, ClimateGate emails and computer programs were taken from a main server at the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia. It is not known if this was a theft or the actions of a whistleblower, disgusted with what the lead scientists at CRU were doing. ClimateGate exposed the cabal of 20 – 30 scientists (not just at CRU) that peer reviewed each others papers, strong-armed scientific journals to only print their views, and then sat on the
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IPCC panels as authors judging which published studies go into the IPCC final reports. This is why they always keep shouting “peer reviewed studies, peer reviewed studies, peer reviewed studies”. They owned the peer review process. ClimateGate exposed that this small group has been adding positive corrections to the raw global temperature data, inflating the amount of published temperature rise over the last 50 years. Both CRU in the UK and NASA-GISS in the US add these biases. At CRU, the programmers did not even know what and why some corrections were added every month. Only since satellite monitoring for comparison have the amounts of biasing leveled off. ClimateGate exposed the leaders of this cabal instructing each other to delete emails, data files, and data analysis programs ahead of already filed Freedom Of Information Act requests for raw data and computer codes, clearly a crime. ClimateGate exposed the “trick” about the Hockey stick figure and other studies that performed proxy construction of past temperatures. After all, reconstruction of the last 1,000 years of climate is the first step in predicting the future with super computer programs as explained below: Everything about all 21 super computer programs used by the IPCC to determine future global warming rely on best-determined past sensitivities to solar and volcanic effects (climate forcings) from the proxy temperature record. 1. The elimination of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age (the handle of the hockey stick) was necessary so that past solar effects could be minimized, thereby allowing almost all of the warming in the last 75 years to be blamed on Greenhouse Gasses. Raw data (like tree-ring thickness, radioisotope of mud layers in a lake bottom, ice core analyses, etc.) are used as a proxy for reconstruction of the temperature record for 1000 AD to 1960 AD. To ensure desired results, statistical manipulation of the raw data and selecting only supporting data, cherry-picking, was suspected and later proved. 2. The slope of long-term 10-year running average global temperature using thermometers from 1900 to present (the blade of the hockey stick) was maximized with the sloppy gridding code, Urban Heat Island effects, hiding the declines, and even fabricating data (documented in the leaked source code comments revealed with ClimateGate). This ensured that the Greenhouse Gas effect coefficient in all 21 of the super computers was maximized, and that maximizes the temperature result at year 2100 based on Greenhouse Gas increases. This thermometer data was used to replace the tree ring-divergence after 1960 and plot this over the climate history data of (1) above giving the false impression that the reconstructed 1000 AD to 1960 AD results are more accurate than they are. 3. Because tuning of the super computer programs uses back casting, the computer outputs could always replicate the 20th Century (by design); therefore it was assumed that the models had almost everything in them. Because of (1) and (2) above, nearly all climate change predicted by the models was due to CO2 and positive feedbacks and hardly any of the climate change was for other reasons like solar, understood or not. 4. Over the years, when better numbers for volcanic effects, black carbon, aerosols, land use, ocean and atmospheric multi-decadal cycles, etc. became available, it appears that CRU made revisions to refit the back cast, but could hardly understand what the code was doing due to previous correction factor fudging and outright fabricating, as documented in the released code as part of ClimateGate. 5. After the IPCC averages the 21 super computer outputs of future projected warming (anywhere from 2-degrees to 7-degrees, not very precise), that output is used to predict all manner of catastrophes. (Fires, floods, droughts, blizzards, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, insects, extinctions, diseases, civil wars, cats & dogs sleeping together, etc.) So shut-up or be called a denier, live the way we tell you to live, pay more for everything, and just send money for my research on the effects of global climate change on horseshoe crabs (which have been around for about 440 million years through all possible temperature ranges). I hope that this makes the ClimateGate controversy easier to understand.
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NucEngineer Nov 29 2009 at 12:31 PM
I downloaded and read the Copenhagen Diagnosis. That was the most rediculously scary propoganda for politicians I have ever seen. You know most of those politicians are so scientificaly challenged they, well, they haven't a clue. That propoganda piece throws out mud wherever possible, most of which has already been debunked (like hurricane intensities vs. time, the ACE). The current rate of sea level rise, 12-inches per century, isn't scarry when you consider Toronto Canada is still rebounding
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from the end of the last ice age and is rising in altitude by 1-inch per year. On and on, but like I said, the Copenhagen Diagnosis throws out so much bunk, it would take experts from 25 scientific field to debunk it all. And then there is ClimateGate. All of the bunk relies on the methods used by that CRU bunch and their cohorts at 5-10 other universities or government organizations.
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brave_dot Nov 29 2009 at 8:52 AM

Yawn, yet another "article" that ignores the extremely anti-science behavior of the so-called scientists. Any real scientist should be outraged by the attempts to suppress dissenting views, and the refusals to share data and methodologies. Perhaps it's too much to expect the vast majority of the population who have no scientific or engineering training to understand this. It is clearly too much to expect most journalists to understand this.

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Joh Q. Public Nov 28 2009 at 3:34 PM

Climategate

Let's see:

a) subverting the peer review process
b) stacking the UN IPCC
c) obstruction of the Freedom on Information Act
d) breach of university and state ethics codes

... and we haven't even talked about the data yet.

Climate Science - the new Ponzi scheme!

p.s. - Is this what Science is all about? Meet the new boss (science), same as the old boss (religion). When are they issuing funny hats to scientists?
p.p.s. - Who needs Wall Street when you have Science?

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Albert Nov 28 2009 at 11:45 AM

Step aside, Ken. You're obviously nothing more than a shill for the AGW pseudo-scientists. Perhaps you would do well to refresh yourself on the subject of science, particularly the scientific method. You will find it woefully absent from the so-called research by the alarmists. Computer modeling is all they have and any real scientist knows that computer modeling may be a good tool for developing hypotheses, but it is not enough on its own to prove anthing.

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Jon Nov 28 2009 at 11:34 AM

Time to look down....you have NO CLOTHES

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Truth Hurts Nov 28 2009 at 10:37 AM

I think it is pretty clear how credible your peer reviewed science is. This is like arguing with someone about their religion.

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BudinOK Nov 28 2009 at 9:35 AM

Ask Al Gore. I heard he has made over a $100 million on pushing this climate control.

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Danthrax Nov 28 2009 at 5:21 AM
Keep up the stonewalling. Keep up the obfuscation. The Truth is now coming out, and nothing is going to stop it. These emails and other data show quite clearly, despite the risible attempts to lie it all away, that raw data was manipulated and that programming deceit was used to give the desired answers, rather than to show what the data actually supported. I am a programmer with 30 years experience and a degree in Physics--you cannot deceive me about what these programs were doing! You can
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lie about it all day, but I can read what the programs are actually doing--the lies of these "Scientists" are transparent. Keep it up! The result will be that NO ONE will listen to you or these "Scientists" because everyone will know that when your lips are moving, it means you are lying.
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Andrew26 Nov 28 2009 at 6:13 AM

I KNEW the world was flat.

Finally the truth cannot be supressed.

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yaridanjo Nov 28 2009 at 5:18 AM
First, Lord Rees – formerly Sir Martin Rees, the Astronomer Royal – is very much of the catastrophist mindset which helped launch the whole AGW scare in the first place. Five years ago, he declared: “I think the odds are no better than 50/50 that our present civilisation will survive to the end of the present century.” And he is right! But the threat is not Global Warming, it is Global Cooling from a comet or meteor strike. http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/SynopsisComet.html EARTH'S BLEAK
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joseph marcucilli Nov 28 2009 at 5:18 AM

My fater-in-law recently returned to his boyhood home in Salem, Mass.Their was a pond there where the ice company would cut thick blocks of ice for years.He was shocked to discover that pond had not been frozen over for the last 7 years.That's not an e-mail that is reality.Enter your comments here

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mike peck Dec 25 2009 at 10:04 PM

hey Joe, our great lakes region was under 2 miles of ice 12000 yrs ago or so, it melted, does this mean wooley mammoth farts melted it? come on get a grip

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