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Media Mayhem: Top 5 tall tales by climate change deniers in 2009
This is just the beginning. Media columnist Ken Edelstein wants your help in coming up with five more.

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Ken Edelstein
Mon, Dec 28 2009 at 10:50 AM
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Al Gore, Climategate, Media Mayhem

BOGEYMAN?: Many critics claim Al Gore is saving the planet to fatten his wallet. (Photo: Zuma Press)

 
It was a banner year for myth making about climate change. Despite mounting evidence that temperatures are rising, the deniers’ camp spun bigger, better and more believable tall tales than ever before.
 
And those stories worked like a charm in 2009. Amplified by broadcast bloviators and a compliant mainstream media, advocates for burying our collective head in the sand convinced millions of Americans that climate change isn’t happening, isn’t caused by people, or wouldn’t be such a bad thing anyway.
 
Here are five of the top 10 tall tales in the 2009 climate change denier’s storybook. I want your help with the rest of the list for next week’s column. Let me know in the comments section which ones I’m missing.
 
Temperatures have dropped over the last decade.
 
Tall tale: Yellow journalist Matt Drudge peddled this whopper with sensational headlines in 2008. This year, it was repeated so many times that it turned into the kind of contrarian cocktail party factoid that can’t be disputed by mere ... facts. The premise is simple: Draw a line from a particularly hot thermometer level (in this case, the one-time record hot year of 1998) to any lower temperature that came later. Voila! You’ve got a downward trend!
 
I don’t think so: The cooling myth has been debunked so many times, and so easily, that it’s painful. You don’t have to be a climatologist to understand that temperatures rise and fall all year, every year; a climbing trend can include steps down. Trends can best be identified by looking at moving averages. For example, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency readings show that the five-year averages for global temperatures have risen by more than half-a-degree Celsius since 1980. And before the denialists reading this declare NOAA to be part of a conspiracy, consider that the tall tale relies on the same data in the first place.
 
In October, the cooling myth was debunked by an Associated Press article in which the writer presented the data to four statisticians without telling them what it was about. Each concluded the cooling interpretation bogus. On Dec. 8, the World Meteorological Organization reported that this decade has been the warmest on record, which would have been difficult if temperatures had been cooling.
 
Media spin: To their credit, few national mainstream journalists swallowed the global cooling story whole. But the frenzy it generated on conservative blogs and airwaves was so pervasive that “cooling” has risen to the level of unassailable fact for a large portion of the population. Reflexive “truthiness,” stated confidently enough and said often enough, sticks around.
 
Fox News was particularly nonchalant about repeating the falsehood. Anchor Brett Baier announced in May “a number of studies now [show] there has been no global warming over at least the last 10 years, and that the Earth is actually cooling now.” He never cited those studies.
 
Then, there’s this sampling of righteous indignation from Glenn Beck:
 

 
Has the cooling story been doused enough to snuff it out. I doubt it. Temperature trends are so fundamental to the climate debate that they’re likely to come up every time there’s an unseasonable cold spell. It’s happened before. Earlier this decade columnist George Will was among those propagating a separate cooling myth based on his misinterpretation of temperature data from the 1970s. Then, this year, he was among those falsely claiming that the World Meteorological Organization backed up the cooling myth. Don’t be surprised if Will, Beck and all the rest of them come back with another variant of the cooling story in 2010.
 
Al Gore’s pushing the climate change myth so he can get rich.
 
Tall tale: Gore’s political enemies often gripe that he’s made a lot of money since losing the 2000 selection. They’re convinced not only that those were ill-gotten gains, but that the main reason he’s pushing now for climate legislation is so that he can make even more money on carbon credits, or green energy technology, or both, or something. The suspicions reached their apex in a congressional committee hearing when a backbench Republican from Gore’s home state of Tennessee interrogated him on his investments.
 

 
While Gore and his defenders argue that the former vice president simply is putting his money where his mouth is, leading climate change denier Steven Milloy stated the objection pithily in Human Events: “It is probably more accurate to say that he is putting his mouth where his money is.”
 
I don’t think so: The most obvious problem with the Gore’s-getting-rich complaint is that he’s allowed to do that. I mean we do still live in a capitalist country, don’t we? Vice presidents tend to be well-connected. Gore’s better positioned than most, partly because he earns $100,000 speaking fees and partly because he’s made some very good investments since leaving office.
 
But tying Gore’s wealth to investments that haven’t even happened yet seems more of an effort to appeal to class envy rather than to make a coherent argument that the Nobel Peace Prize winner has a devilish plan to take over global commerce.
 
Then there’s the timeline. Gore has been “mouthing” his concerns about climate change for more than two decades. In the 1980s, he began to develop the talk that became the basis for the movie An Inconvenient Truth. In 1990, I interviewed him after one of those talks from the backseat of a Toyota Tercel and reported then that I was surprised by the passion and detail he brought to the subject. In 1992, Gore’s first book on the climate threat, Earth in the Balance, was published. So when Milloy writes that Gore’s putting “his mouth where his money is,” he’s got it exactly backwards. The commitment on climate change came long before he started making money.
 
Gore also stresses that a fair chunk of his earnings tied to climate change go toward two non-profits that he’s founded to push for climate change action. The former vice president might quell the suspicions if he publicly released all his financial information. Then again, name me a private citizen who does that, and explain why Gore is the one who ought to.
 
Media spin: The mainstream media doesn’t seem so concerned about Gore’s money. But for the right-wing media he serves a useful purpose as the deniers’ bogeyman. It’s truly impressive how much vitriol is reserved for the man.
 

 
Many climate scientists don’t believe in anthropogenic climate change.
 
Tall tale: Every time you turn around, there’s another petition supposedly signed by skeptical climate scientists. First there was the list of “500 Scientists Whose Research Contradicts Man-Made Global Warming Scares,” put together by the anti-climate-action Heartland Institute. Then, there were more than 30,000 scientists who supposedly signed the “Oregon Petition.” And then, just before this month’s Copenhagen climate summit, 141 “Science and Technology Experts well Qualified in Climate Science” signed an open letter to the U.N. secretary-general demanding “convincing evidence” that climate change is occurring.
 
I don’t think so: Each document is far less than what it purports to be -- at times hilariously so. When contacted in 2008 by DeSmogBlog, dozens of scientists who found themselves on the list of 500 quickly responded with outrage, saying they never gave permission to be listed. One example: “I am horrified to find my name on such a list. I have spent the last 20 years arguing the opposite."
 
DeSmogBlog found even more wrong with the Oregon Petition. Many of its signers were undergraduate science majors, not scientists. Others didn’t even exist. Only 39 of the 30,000 signers actually turned out to be climatologists -- but even that claim couldn’t be verified. Et cetera. In the more recent list of 141 “well-qualified experts,” “well-qualified” is in the eye of the beholder. A close look reveals that many are scientists in unrelated fields, while others are engineers rather than scientists.
 
Why do deniers keep coming up with new petitions? Seems to me it’s because every time one petition is thoroughly discredited, the bloggers, broadcasters and political operatives can breathlessly trot out a fresh one that hasn’t been debunked yet.
 
Numerous petitions by thousands of actual climate scientists have pressed for politicians to take strong action quickly on climate change, but those efforts haven’t drawn nearly the attention of the deniers’ petitions. Neither have credible polls of scientists, including one early this year in which 97 percent of climatologists agreed that “human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.”
 
In an entry on “Scientific Opinion on Climate Change,” Wikipedia lists 45 scientific organizations that concur with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s assessment that some global warming is likely caused by people. It adds: “no remaining scientific body of national or international standing is known to reject the basic findings of human influence on recent climate change.”
 
Media spin: It’s not surprising anymore that right-wing blogs, industry-funded think tanks, talk radio hosts and Fox News amplify denier-slanted petitions without mentioning their flaws, or that they fail to mention the more credible evidence of the overwhelming consensus of anthropogenic climate change.
 

 
But mainstream media organizations have done little to counter the noise machine. The result: A poll this fall by the Pew Research Center for People & the Press cited “a sharp decline over the past year in the percentage of Americans who say there is solid evidence that global temperatures are rising.”
 
It’d be a heck of a lot cheaper to fix things after the fact.
 
Tall tale: The economist and the journalist who wrote the spectacularly successful Freakonomics published the followup this fall: SuperFreakonomics. It’s filled with all kinds of errors about climate change, among them that the Earth is cooling, and that solar panels and trees make the Earth hotter.
 
The most entertaining of bit of unsubstantiated conjecture is that, rather than reducing greenhouse gases, it would be more effective and less expensive to suppress climate change through “geo-engineering” -- by pumping vast amounts of sulfur dioxide into the upper atmosphere to reflect away heat.
 
I don’t think so: Authors Stephen J. Dubner and Steven D. Levitt market themselves as iconoclasts -- unafraid to attack sacred cows and to push novel solutions. The problem is that they don’t know what they’re talking about when it comes to climate change -- a subject upon which there’s no shortage of expert opinion and, for that matter, creative thinking.
 
In a post on a science blog, geophysicist Raymond T. Pierrehumbert pretty convincingly accuses Levitt of “academic malpractice.” Meanwhile, Dubner admitted grudgingly -- and incompletely -- on the New York Times’ Freakonomics blog that he and Levitt misquoted a key source on geoengineering. His mea culpa came across as careful backpedaling. And the miracle cure they suggest for climate change comes across more like one of the predictable ideas you’d see in an old Popular Mechanics magazine than like original thinking.
 
Media spin: Hell hath no fury like a writer scorned. When I reported last month on Levitt and Dubner’s freaky ideas about climate change, I gave them the benefit of the doubt. They didn’t seem like dishonest deniers to me -- more like they over-reached to make their book more sensational.
 
Now, I’m not so sure. Maybe the controversy drove Dubner into the denial camp. Here he is peddling his book by participating on the most willfully misleading Fox segment on “Climategate” I’ve seen:
 

 
Many news organizations gave Levitt and Dubner the free publicity ride that media darling authors get. But the real story here is that two celebrity authors are using their platform to spread bad information. SuperFreakonomics remains No. 5 on Amazon’s bestsellers’ list. How many people will get most of what they learn about climate change from that book?
 
Climategate discredited the ‘myth’ of anthropogenic climate change.
 
Tall tale: E-mails stolen from a British climate research center proved once and for all that an insider gang of climate scientists fudged data showing that the Earth is getting colder. The proof? Two or three missives out of thousands between leading climate scientists. In one, a researcher talks about using the “Nature trick” to “hide the decline”; deniers say that proves scientists were hiding temperature declines from the public for years (see #2, above). In another, a scientist says: "I have been fiddling with the best way to illustrate the stable nature of the medieval warm period.” Hmmm. “Fiddling.” Sounds suspicious doesn’t it?
 
I don’t think so: The stolen e-mails are embarrassing. Wouldn’t some of the stuff you wrote to friends and colleagues over the past 13 years look embarrassing? Some seem nasty on a personal level. A few show possible attempt to skirt British open records laws. There’s even a question as to whether pressure placed by at least one e-mailer on scientific journal editors to not publish the work of skeptical scientists went beyond usual competitive world of academia.
 
All of that obscures the fact that nobody has pointed to anything -- anything -- in any of the e-mails that discredits the theory of anthropogenic climate change. Scientists pointed this out from the very start, and news organizations that belatedly reviewed the actual facts arrived at the same conclusion.
 
Media spin: The anti-climate-action media filed error-ridden “Climategate” reports loudly and early. One example: columnist George Will, who wrongly stated on ABC’s This Week that, “One of the e-mails said it is a travesty, his word, it is a travesty that we cannot explain the fact that global warming has stopped” and that another scientist said “he wished he could delete, get rid of, the medieval warming period.” ABC hasn’t corrected the errors. Don’t hold your breath.
 
On “Climategate,” the right-wing media served as a predictable echo chamber; what’s more important is that the mainstream media utterly failed in its duty. Rather than balancing legitimate, authoritative sources with right-wing spin -- as often occurs -- mainstream reporters just opted for the right-wing spin this time.
 
Now, the spin has become its reality, even down to the name -- “Climategate.” The story morphed from sloppy reporting about the facts into coverage of calls for investigations and talk about the momentum skeptics were feeling on the eve of the Copenhagen talks.
 
The actual fact that there was no evidence of data manipulation? Boring. Even three weeks after the story broke, in fact, a CBS anchor and reporter bantered about how the e-mails “cast doubt on the very science” behind climate change. As has so often been the case in 2009 when it came to climate change, they were talking about a mythic world where reality didn’t matter as much as a neat story line.
 

 
Related on MNN: Fact or fiction? 7 green myths debunked
 
So I want your help with the rest of the list for next week’s column. Let me know in the comments section which ones I’m missing.
 
Journalist Ken Edelstein writes the Media Mayhem column for the Mother Nature Network. From various coffee shops in Atlanta, he publishes an environmental news site at MyGreenATL.com.

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anonymous
rozee Nov 19 2010 at 9:03 PM

The thing about all this is that the Sun seems left out of the debate. What do we really know about the Sun and it's cycles? Not much.It's still a mystery. We just haven't been around for long enough to understand Solar cycles, is that correct?

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Klem Feb 08 2013 at 7:54 AM

That is correct. Our sun is a variable star. We have learned that the sun goes through regular cycles but solar observations only go back about 300 years. Not very long.

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JackSpratt Mar 31 2010 at 9:39 AM

As for Arctic ice evidence, who needs science?
Just ask anyone in the merchant marine business about the accesibility of the northwest passage.
The evidence is all around us.

And bottom line, it is basic school science that demonstartes how carbon increase makes for a warmer atmosphere.
And it is not disputed that burning fossil fuels releases carbon into the atmosphere.

It's a no-brainer. Climate Change is here, we cause it.

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Klem Feb 08 2013 at 8:00 AM

We burn fossil fuels true, we add CO2 to the atmosphere true, CO2 is a greenhouse gas true, we are warming the atmosphere true. Are we changing the climate? Sorry that's unknown. And merely seeing melting arctic ice is evidence that the earth climate changes, it is not evidence that our CO2 emissions are the cause. Remember the earth produces 24,000 times more greenhouse gasses everyday than all of humanity combined (water vapor is the major GHG).

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Jackspratt Mar 31 2010 at 7:57 AM

Any mountaineer will tell you that routes long established are changing as the ice melts.
Glaciers are on the retreat, the Arctic is getting thinner, the Antartic ice shelves are breaking up. Southern species are heading north (or vice versa in the southern hemisphere)
How much evidence does anyone need to know the world is getting warmer? You don't need a scientist, just a pair of eyes and a brain.

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Guest Feb 12 2010 at 1:59 PM

"and the Rest of the Story . . ."

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Ernest Abe Dec 29 2009 at 4:13 AM
Krakatoa Volcano or even more recently, Mt. St. Helens & others in S. America and around the Pacific rim.....how much carbon and ash were released and will be released from future eruptions? In 2008, Northern California's Sacramento Valley was filled with smoke from forest fires....What I found particularly interesting is that according to reports from the newspaper, the Sacramento Bee, the smoke filling the Valley and even the Lake Tahoe basin, were a normal occurrence during the 1900's. The
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forest fires back then were mainly caused by lightning storm strikes. Now, whose to blame here for this excessive carbon release? Just a few thoughts.
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Jay Alt Feb 12 2010 at 2:16 PM

- that is a contender for the 'misinformation / duh we don't know anything' category:

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php

Carbon dioxide (CO2)
"Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year."

which is about 100 times less than the amount humans are known to burn.

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Chas Dec 27 2009 at 10:55 PM

(Re: Global Warming) "I would hope that it would get very hot now, and decrease the surplus population." Ebenezer Scrooge - 1843

(Re: Global Warming) "Especially astonishing are the very short times needed for major warmings. A temperature increase of 5°C can occur in a few decades." - Greenland Ice Core Project-An ESF Research Programme-Final Report

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Klem Feb 08 2013 at 8:06 AM

That's exactly why environmental alarmists get no respect. They say there are too many humans on earth, that we need to reduce the surplus human population. Then they turn around and say that man-made climate change will kill millions of people all over the earth (think of the children!). How these people get along every day is a mystery to me. It makes me laugh.

These people have to make up their minds.

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seeker401 Dec 25 2009 at 4:16 PM
wow mr edelstein..you took the bait and hook in your mouth.. CRU destroyed all the old raw data..admitted CRU fudged numbers they gave to the IPCC..evident in the emails and also why the head of CRU has stood down NASA will not release their figures for perusal despite years of FOI submissions we know in the mid 70s the same university(east anglia) was preaching the ice age was coming..the same u niversity who now ays its warming!!..i have seen the orignal newspaaper..no lies..its all there.. Gore
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has been caughtt lying so many times its a joke now..his truth movie has been reduced to a comedy piece..hockeystick ring a bell ? LOL and now we find out this member of the UK green party is doing the editing at Wikipedia..and you have the hide to say climategate believers own the media..please..stop drinking the cool aid man.. http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/12/25/wikipedia-connolley-update-hes...
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Jay Alt Feb 12 2010 at 2:31 PM

- simple simon met a pieman going to the fair -
CRU threw away some copies in the 80s. CRU isn't a weather service and they don't record their own observations. So they copied many weather station results from around the world. The weather services of those countires have the original would the data. (unless they too are involved in the, shudder, 'awful conspiracy' )

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Freedomisgood Dec 24 2009 at 5:34 PM
Article From My local paper! Quote AP all you like! LOL by Don Surber The Associated Press found a lake that did not freeze early this year and used it as proof of global warming. Nowhere in the story did it mention the unseasonable cold and snow in Europe, the Midwest and the Eastern seaboard; the White House was under two feet of snow on Saturday. No, upstate New York is having a mild winter so this automatically proves global warming. Post Climategate — which the AP has brushed off since its
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science editor was among those implicated — the AP will grab anything as it bitterly clings to its religion of Global Warming Caused By Man’s Sin Of Materialism. It is a hoot. This is so clumsy — so transparently biased — that AP must stand for Amateur Propagandists. There is absolutely no comment from the other side of the argument. None. The AP sent out as news a 573-word, cherry-picking promotion for the discredited global warming movement. The story in full: ALBANY – Ice is forming this week on picturesque Mirror Lake in the Adirondacks, weeks later than it once did as scientists continue to document a century-long warming trend. “The weather is so variable, and the data sets are so few or incomplete, the ice cover is the one thing that stands out above everything else,” said Curt Stager, professor of natural sciences at Paul Smith’s College. “It’s the most obvious, irrefutable sign of climate change in the North Country.” Stager and three other scientists co-authored a recent paper in the Adirondack Journal of Environmental Studies plotting regional climate changes since data collection began in the early 1900s. The data showed ice on Mirror Lake forming 14 or 15 days later and melting three or four days earlier than it did then, consistent with records from several other high-elevation Adirondack lakes. Colin Beier, a researcher at the Adirondack Ecological Center of the State University College of Environmental Science and Forestry, said climate is affected by geography in the six million acre Adirondack Park, a place with mountains, lake effects, weather from Canada and other local factors. A separate preliminary trend analysis from 1950 to 2008 found high mean temperatures in the High Peaks area increasing a few degrees while those in the southwestern Adirondacks around West Canada Lakes were decreasing by a similar amount. “There’s a lot of hysteria about climate change right now,” Beier said. “It’s important for us as scientists to present as sober and clean a picture as possible.” The U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2007 found it “very likely” that most observed warming globally is due to the buildup of heat-trapping gases from burning fossil fuels. A 193-nation conference ended last weekend in Copenhagen with a limited agreement to address global warming amid acrimony over failure to reach a legally binding deal. Scientific debate continues over causes and forecasts. With data from seven sites around the Adirondack region, the four scientists reported mean annual temperatures from 1926 to 2005 rose overall only “slightly,” or about 1.5 degrees. However, measured over the most recent 30 years, the trend was more pronounced and statistically significant for the months of September, up an average of 4.7 degrees, and December, up 3.4 degrees. May was 1.7 degrees cooler. Some of the best ice records came from Mirror Lake, which can be seen from Main Street in Lake Placid in the High Peaks region of the northeastern Adirondacks, site of Winter Olympics in 1932 and 1980. One of the longer-term goals of the research is to develop useful projections, with knowledge of underlying mechanisms and avoid the “oversimplification” of projecting historical trends forward, they wrote. Stager noted that there was a warm spell in the 1950s in this part of the world and said that depending on the time frame used, it was possible to draw different conclusions. “If you start in the 1950s, it makes it seem like there’s not much change. If you start in the ’60s, it’s a ramp upwards everywhere,” Stager said. The corrected United States Historical Climatology Network data they used came from Dannemora, Indian Lake, Lake Placid, Stillwater, Tupper Lake and Wanakena in the Adirondacks, as well as Lowville just west toward the Tug Hill Plateau. They also found an increase in stream discharge over a century, indicating “an overall wetting trend,” and more rain, particularly in August. Some migratory birds also are now arriving earlier.
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Klem Feb 08 2013 at 8:10 AM

All of these things are merely evidence that the climate changes only, they are not evidence that CO2 is the cause. Still waiting.

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Freedomisgood Dec 24 2009 at 5:00 PM
This is what I have been trying to say about Climategate, There are so much money being spent, science in general suffers! Other sections of science is at risk! Here is an article from mackinac,org: Science is in trouble. The process of scientific discovery is too often being traded for the practice of political science. The recent "Climate Gate" scandal is just a symptom of a much larger problem. When scientists at Britain's Climate Research Unit refuse to release climate data and dismiss any
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legitimate questions regarding their methodology or conclusions, they undermine the credibility of the very profession they practice. The manipulation of the scientific process for political purposes is not new. What is alarming is the extent to which it is now happening and the potential impact on national policies. Michigan State University reportedly is considering shutting down its geology program. Geology is a well established science that provides researchers with an understanding of prehistoric conditions that formed and transformed the planet. Future geologic investigation is critical to helping us understand the physical processes that formed and continue to shape the planet. It is hard to imagine that any intelligent decisions could be made regarding an issue as important as future energy sources without a thorough understanding of geology. National energy policy has a profound impact on the economic and personal freedoms of all Americans. U.S. citizens have a right to expect that any significant change in energy policy is underpinned by good science. Courses on environmental policy will not take the place of the scientific discipline of geology. The increasing trend of politicizing science is being driven primarily by two factors: money and political agendas. The American and European governments are throwing large sums of money in the form of grants at universities and other institutions for the purpose of investigating man's impact on the climate. Climatologists Patrick Michaels and Robert Balling Jr., in a book titled "Satanic Gases," report that total spending on global climate change has grown from a few million dollars to more than $2 billion annually in the last 15 years. It is inconceivable that such a large infusion of taxpayer dollars into the scientific research community would not lead to corruption of global climate science. Researchers at universities and other institutions, which are increasingly reliant on research dollars to fund their activities, understand their economic wellbeing is tied to receiving government handouts. Researchers who do not support the conclusion that man in causing global climate change simply are not going to be competitive in receiving that money. The recent Copenhagen Climate Conference made it clear to the world that the global climate change issue has little to do with science and everything to do with political agendas. Any lingering doubts about global climate change being a scientific issue were quickly dispelled when Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez issued a blistering attack on capitalism to thundering applause from the climate change delegates. The scientific process is one of discovery, not consensus. When claims are made that the science on human-caused global warming is "settled," those making such an argument either do not understand the scientific process or they are trying to intentionally manipulate it for their own political agenda. The integrity of the scientific process is more important than ever as we attempt to understand complex systems like the climate of our planet. The ultimate result of the political corruption of science is the loss of the credibility of science with the public. Once public trust is lost it is difficult to regain. That is a much bigger problem than global climate change.
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JG Dec 24 2009 at 2:46 PM
AGW is a gigantic claim and therfore requires gigantic PROOF before you should commit to it. Since that proof is either missing or rigged, the default position should always be: DON"T BELIEVE IT. If I tell you I have a billion dollars in my pocket you wouldn't believe it until you saw it. Yet the sheeple believe blindly in AWG, and then call everyone else "deniers". How about a little rational and scientific thinking people!?! Rejecting a claim should always be the DEFAULT position absent solid evidence.
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Klem Feb 08 2013 at 8:12 AM

That's why climate alarmism is believed to be more politics based than science based.

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Freedomisgood Dec 24 2009 at 1:29 PM
Dr. Vincent Gray, has a Ph.D. in physical chemistry from The University of Cambridge. He has published more than 100 scientific papers and wrote The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of Climate Change 2001. He has called the IPCC (United Nations) process a “swindle.” Gray is one of the “2,500 top scientists” from around the world that the IPCC cites as backing their reports. He wrote 1,900 comments on the final draft on a recent IPCC’s report. “Right from the beginning, I have had difficulty
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with this procedure,” Gray wrote. “Penetrating questions often ended without any answer. Comments on the IPCC drafts were rejected without explanation and attempts to pursue the matter were frustrated indefinitely.” His conclusion was that the information in the IPCC reports were “unsound.”
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Klem Feb 08 2013 at 8:22 AM
That might be true but not to the IPCC. Remember the IPCC is interested in reporting about evidence for man-made climate change only, they are not interested in natural climate change. The public thinks the IPCC reports on any climate change whatsoever, but no, the IPCC is interested in man-made only. Here's how the IPCC defines climate change: "United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC), in its Article 1, defines climate change as: ‘a change of climate which is attributed directly
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or indirectly to human activity ..."
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Bipartison Dec 24 2009 at 11:07 AM
The first indicator that someone is dead wrong in this debate is that a person's view on this subject is largely related to the political party they side with. To find out who's slinging crap all you have to do is go to the evidence. In this circumstance I'm going to side with the party that believes that based on current evidence the earth has been around for more than 5,000 years. The religious right will have you believe either all the worlds archaeologists are dead wrong. Or that dinosaurs were
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just here a few thousand years ago. These are the same people that will assure you that nobody will launce nukes from Pakistan or any other Arab nation at Israel. Simply because it's not in the Bible. Therefore it can't happen. If Israel were blown up then the second comming would not happen. These same people are the majority of people who are claiming global warming is not happening. Probably because it's not in the Bible. Well the Bible has been wrong about a lot of things. I'm going to stick with the scientists on this one.
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DaleC Dec 28 2009 at 3:39 PM
The Religious Right ( aka Fundamentalist Christians) don't believe that "These are the same people that will assure you that nobody will launce nukes from Pakistan or any other Arab nation at Israel. Simply because it's not in the Bible. Therefore it can't happen. If Israel were blown up then the second comming would not happen." Ever heard of Armageddon? It is in the Bible, Book of Revelations. I live among the people of which you speak and almost ALL of them fear a nuclear armed Iran for that very
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Freedomisgood Dec 24 2009 at 1:19 PM
If you are referring to me, I am a Independent for your information. Second I voted for Obama and donated to his campaign!(now i wish i did not!) I do not know one person who has those views, Maybe I am in the wrong part of the world I do not know? The problem with science is that it is never solid, Ideas change the same with the climate. I do agree we need to move toward renewables,but by spending all this money on science that we know changes we need to try to help the human factors. People
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arounf the worldare starving, do you know why? Bio fuels, we use the food soures up to drive our cars! We spend billions of dollars to scientist whom tell us lies! I myself have been called a true envirmentalist by the governer of my state, because I find solutions for industry to work without the enviromental damage! AGW is just a tax scam, simply a tax scam! Look at Europe, the co2 levels has not dropped since the implication of there cap and trade. This just gives corporations a green light to polute if they pay the money!
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Klem Feb 08 2013 at 8:26 AM

"This just gives corporations a green light to polute if they pay the money"

And not much money by the way. A ton of carbon is selling for about $5 right now, companies are buying 100 years worth of credits in single purchases. That way they never have to think about it again and can continue to pollute to their heart's content. Environmentalists, why are they so bad at math?

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Douglas Dec 24 2009 at 10:28 AM
After all the comments which hold the leaked emails to be the smoking gun, no-one actually points to the particular bullet. Even Dr. Lindzers article in the WSJ doesn't deal with the actual contents of these emails (he only names it a scandal). As pointed out (unintentionally ironically) by an earlier commenter, merely repeating something you want to be true does not make it so. The so-called skeptics for the most part are as dogma driven as the proponents who repeat uncritically every piece of "
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evidence" they can find. One of the real problems the world faces is the widespread inability of it's human populations to think beyond the end of their noses.
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Freedomisgood Dec 24 2009 at 4:11 PM
Douglass, can you read? You sure did not read my previous posts! My first post toward the bottom of the page , is this good enough instructions for you? "The emails alone do not disprove anything, but it does shed light on the deceptive practices! Practices like denying FIO requests, trying to get other scientist fired that did not fit there political Agenda! They also have got credible scientist to take note questioning there data and conclusions! More importantly is the Computer Code that was
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released, I will post a seperate comment for this. Then you have the evidence the polar ice caps are not melting, Russia has come forth to say very few of there stations where even used. Also the fact that the mid evil period is missing, physical evidence still exist today around the globe!"
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