Media Mayhem: Top 5 tall tales by climate change deniers in 2009
This is just the beginning. Media columnist Ken Edelstein wants your help in coming up with five more.
BOGEYMAN?: Many critics claim Al Gore is saving the planet to fatten his wallet. (Photo: Zuma Press)
It was a banner year for myth making about climate change. Despite mounting evidence that temperatures are rising, the deniers’ camp spun bigger, better and more believable tall tales than ever before.
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The thing about all this is that the Sun seems left out of the debate. What do we really know about the Sun and it's cycles? Not much.It's still a mystery. We just haven't been around for long enough to understand Solar cycles, is that correct?
As for Arctic ice evidence, who needs science?
Just ask anyone in the merchant marine business about the accesibility of the northwest passage.
The evidence is all around us.
And bottom line, it is basic school science that demonstartes how carbon increase makes for a warmer atmosphere.
And it is not disputed that burning fossil fuels releases carbon into the atmosphere.
It's a no-brainer. Climate Change is here, we cause it.
Any mountaineer will tell you that routes long established are changing as the ice melts.
Glaciers are on the retreat, the Arctic is getting thinner, the Antartic ice shelves are breaking up. Southern species are heading north (or vice versa in the southern hemisphere)
How much evidence does anyone need to know the world is getting warmer? You don't need a scientist, just a pair of eyes and a brain.
"and the Rest of the Story . . ."
Krakatoa Volcano or even more recently, Mt. St. Helens & others in S. America and around the Pacific rim.....how much carbon and ash were released and will be released from future eruptions?
In 2008, Northern California's Sacramento Valley was filled with smoke from forest fires....What I found particularly interesting is that according to reports from the newspaper, the Sacramento Bee, the smoke filling the Valley and even the Lake Tahoe basin, were a normal occurrence during the.... More
- that is a contender for the 'misinformation / duh we don't know anything' category:
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php
Carbon dioxide (CO2)
"Volcanoes release more than 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere every year."
which is about 100 times less than the amount humans are known to burn.
(Re: Global Warming) "I would hope that it would get very hot now, and decrease the surplus population." Ebenezer Scrooge - 1843
(Re: Global Warming) "Especially astonishing are the very short times needed for major warmings. A temperature increase of 5°C can occur in a few decades." - Greenland Ice Core Project-An ESF Research Programme-Final Report
wow mr edelstein..you took the bait and hook in your mouth..
CRU destroyed all the old raw data..admitted
CRU fudged numbers they gave to the IPCC..evident in the emails and also why the head of CRU has stood down
NASA will not release their figures for perusal despite years of FOI submissions
we know in the mid 70s the same university(east anglia) was preaching the ice age was coming..the same u niversity who now ays its warming!!..i have seen the orignal.... More
- simple simon met a pieman going to the fair -
CRU threw away some copies in the 80s. CRU isn't a weather service and they don't record their own observations. So they copied many weather station results from around the world. The weather services of those countires have the original would the data. (unless they too are involved in the, shudder, 'awful conspiracy' )
Article From My local paper! Quote AP all you like! LOL
by Don Surber
The Associated Press found a lake that did not freeze early this year and used it as proof of global warming.
Nowhere in the story did it mention the unseasonable cold and snow in Europe, the Midwest and the Eastern seaboard; the White House was under two feet of snow on Saturday.
No, upstate New York is having a mild winter so this automatically proves global warming.
Post Climategate —.... More
This is what I have been trying to say about Climategate, There are so much money being spent, science in general suffers! Other sections of science is at risk! Here is an article from mackinac,org:
Science is in trouble. The process of scientific discovery is too often being traded for the practice of political science. The recent "Climate Gate" scandal is just a symptom of a much larger problem. When scientists at Britain's Climate Research Unit refuse to release climate data and.... More
AGW is a gigantic claim and therfore requires gigantic PROOF before you should commit to it. Since that proof is either missing or rigged, the default position should always be: DON"T BELIEVE IT. If I tell you I have a billion dollars in my pocket you wouldn't believe it until you saw it. Yet the sheeple believe blindly in AWG, and then call everyone else "deniers". How about a little rational and scientific thinking people!?! Rejecting a claim should always be the DEFAULT position absent solid.... More
Dr. Vincent Gray, has a Ph.D. in physical chemistry from The University of Cambridge. He has published more than 100 scientific papers and wrote The Greenhouse Delusion: A Critique of Climate Change 2001.
He has called the IPCC (United Nations) process a “swindle.”
Gray is one of the “2,500 top scientists” from around the world that the IPCC cites as backing their reports. He wrote 1,900 comments on the final draft on a recent IPCC’s report.
“Right from the.... More
The first indicator that someone is dead wrong in this debate is that a person's view on this subject is largely related to the political party they side with. To find out who's slinging crap all you have to do is go to the evidence. In this circumstance I'm going to side with the party that believes that based on current evidence the earth has been around for more than 5,000 years. The religious right will have you believe either all the worlds archaeologists are dead wrong. Or that dinosaurs.... More
The Religious Right ( aka Fundamentalist Christians) don't believe that "These are the same people that will assure you that nobody will launce nukes from Pakistan or any other Arab nation at Israel. Simply because it's not in the Bible. Therefore it can't happen. If Israel were blown up then the second comming would not happen."
Ever heard of Armageddon? It is in the Bible, Book of Revelations. I live among the people of which you speak and almost ALL of them fear a nuclear armed Iran.... More
If you are referring to me, I am a Independent for your information. Second I voted for Obama and donated to his campaign!(now i wish i did not!) I do not know one person who has those views, Maybe I am in the wrong part of the world I do not know? The problem with science is that it is never solid, Ideas change the same with the climate. I do agree we need to move toward renewables,but by spending all this money on science that we know changes we need to try to help the human factors. .... More
After all the comments which hold the leaked emails to be the smoking gun, no-one actually points to the particular bullet. Even Dr. Lindzers article in the WSJ doesn't deal with the actual contents of these emails (he only names it a scandal).
As pointed out (unintentionally ironically) by an earlier commenter, merely repeating something you want to be true does not make it so. The so-called skeptics for the most part are as dogma driven as the proponents who repeat uncritically.... More
Douglass, can you read? You sure did not read my previous posts! My first post toward the bottom of the page , is this good enough instructions for you?
"The emails alone do not disprove anything, but it does shed light on the deceptive practices! Practices like denying FIO requests, trying to get other scientist fired that did not fit there political Agenda! They also have got credible scientist to take note questioning there data and conclusions! More importantly is the Computer.... More
Here are some of the ones I have heard:
1. God would never let a great catastrophe happen to the earth.
2. Past warming cycles were before industrialization so this must be mother nature at work. That is like saying drunk drivers do not cause accidents. Everyone knows that icy roads cause accidents and there must be only one cause of accidents.
3. The ice caps are not shrinking.
4. There has been warming on Mars and Venus, and no one is burning fuels there.
Regarding point 1. If a person believes strongly enough in "God" (aka Yahweh, God of Abraham, Christ's Pop, etc) they also believe in The Great Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, The Plagues on Egypt etc. Therefore they not only belive it could happen, many of them EXPECT it to happen.
Point 2 - Bad analogy - we have clear and undeniable evidence that, in addition to icy roads, drunk drivers kill people. We know that because they kill people on summer roads. there is not one traffic expert.... More
Thanks for the list. I'd never heard the Mars and Venus one. That's good! I also like your analogy in #2.
December 7, 2009"In November, the average rate of Arctic sea ice growth slightly exceeded the 1979 to 2000 average growth rate for the month".NSIDC scientists provide Arctic Sea Ice News & Analysis, with partial support from NASA.
So the sea ice is still melting! It sounds to me that it to has leveled off the same is the earths average temperatures! I wish all the warmers would do just a little research, because I am getting tired of doing it for them!
Sea ice always forms in the fall and winter. The concern is about eliminating the ice cover just as the region is receiving summer sunlight, 24/7. Another variation of this red herring - as news coverage of Arctic melting ramps up, the Antarctic is freezing up. Voila! The 'mystery' of the Austral seasons comforts simple minds with false balance.
Fraud deserves prison. Everyone involved in the global warming hoax deserves a prison term or worse. Socialists and communists, weirdos, and society rejects, all.
You clearly have not spent enough time researching this issue. I don't think anyone can deny there has been some regional warming. The question is how serious is this and what is the cause. Anthropogenic Global Warming has turned into a faith or religion and as with all religions, any evidence that this faith is unfounded is met with extreme resistance. Exactly what are we to do when the planet cools a little again as it did during the Little Ice Age a short while ago - release massive.... More
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you make accusations but give no facts to support you position. climate change is real, and natural. it has always occured and always will. before man walked the earth and will continue after we are gone. you have not given me any reason to change my mind
Consider the post below (source noted). What is needed ids a truly indpepndent review of al non-lost, homogenized and value added data, and the models by a significant, objective group of sckscinetists open to all.
Scientist Points to U.N. ‘Fraud’ on Climate Change
The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) should be dismissed as an authority on global warming, according to a scientist associated with the IPCC.
In an article that appeared on South.... More
The story originated in a UK tabloid paper. Try searching their websie 'david rose' to so the types of stories that reporter usually covers. Or look at the stories they feature each day . . .
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html
The scientist denies making those statements, to a journalist who's covered the issues for 20 years.
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As long as total rubbish articles appear like this one I will keep posting the truth! I cannot believe the fact you have a few people with the idea that if you keep repeating the same phrases over and over they will become true! Not only science but common sense tell us this! But comon sense is something the has gone extinct along with the dodo birds!
Some very prominent members of the American Physical Society are circulating an email asking the Society to withdraw a position statement adopted on 2007 that supported the theory of global warming. It's a powerful statement by leading physicists who are obviously furious about the ClimateGate fraud and about the impact it will have on science. Compare this statement to the cowardly and arrogant editorial in Nature and to the spinning of this transparent fraud by faux pro-science journalists.... More
Fred Singer cannot be considered a prominent phycist. Unless you limit the category to physicists "who've spent their careers slutting for tobacco and fossil fuel companies."
A independent review by Free Software Magazine.
What many people do not realize is that the CRU and the IPCC have relied heavily on contentious temperature proxies and combined various data sets in even more contentious computer models (the computer that has given us Mann’s deceased Hockey stick graph was the same computer that was used to predict a barbecue summer in the UK this year. It never materialised.) The leaked files make for very interesting reading and new stuff is emerging all.... More
The emails alone do not disprove anything, but it does shed light on the deceptive practices! Practices like denying FIO requests, trying to get other scientist fired that did not fit there political Agenda! They also have got credible scientist to take note questioning there data and conclusions! More importantly is the Computer Code that was released, I will post a seperate comment for this. Then you have the evidence the polar ice caps are not melting, Russia has come forth to say very.... More
Roy W. Spencer received his Ph.D. in meteorology at the University of Wisconsin-Madison in 1981. Before becoming a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville in 2001, he was a Senior Scientist for Climate Studies at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, where he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal for their global temperature monitoring work with satellites. Dr. Spencer’s work with NASA continues as the U.S. Science.... More
Spencer and Christy also got awards form UA-Huntsville - for all that's worth. Their main job was to analyze satellite microwave readings and correlate those with atmospheric temperatures. By the mid-2000s it was shown that they'd done a poor job of that (NASA honors were probably premature). Their measurements of tropospheric temperature trends did not detect warming, but cooling. This did not reconcile with many other evidences of atmospheric warming. When they themselves couldn't (or.... More
You are right to take Deniers with a large pinch of salt. Much like Warmists and Calamitists they do tend to spin the data to support their beliefs.
However, you should pay attention to the sceptics. Examine their facts with an open mind and you will see that AGW theory is complete rubbish.
CRU/NASA/NOAA/NCDC use ground/sea based thermometer data which is more susceptible to scientists' manipulation,(as we are finding out through climategate) as well as simple collection errors, (i.e. placement, under or over reporting stations, environment changes etc.)Because of these factors, thermometer data should really can't be "Globaly" considered very accurate. Fortunately, we have Satellite data which, at great expense, began in December 1978, (ironically to investigate global.... More



























