Discovery Channel standoff puts spotlight on environmental extremism
James J. Lee is hardly the first person to take extreme action in the name of Mother Earth.
MIND OF A MADMAN?: A screenshot of James J. Lee's MySpace page. (Photo: AP) When James J. Lee marched into the Discovery Channel’s headquarters with a gun, possible explosives and a list of demands, he turned the world’s attention to Silver Spring, Md., and to the hostages he took. As the television cameras raced to the busy Washington, D.C., suburb, many reporters who learned of Lee’s environmental beliefs began focusing on environmental extremism.
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The reason why those countries deflagged the Steve Irwin was because of Japanese pressure on those governments. The Netherlands themselves actually recucieved requests from Japan to deflag the Steve Irwin. And I don't believe the whalers were hurt by the Butyric Acid, the whalers hurt themselves. Until the public see pictures of butyric acid burning their eyes or video/photos of the bottles hitting them like they claim people will remain unmoved. The whalers don't even have pictures or.... More
The acidity has nothing to do with what makes Butyric acid dangerous.
It is in some foods in trace amounts, so are many other toxins however. SSCS has verified through various sources on several occasions that they buy it straight from the factory. So we know it isn't diluted.
"This coming from the people who shot themselves with pepper spray "
There was no pepper spray. Just another SS lie. The same kind of people who think Watson was shot will believe anything.
As for.... More
Sea Shepherd has thousands of followers who are actually doing something about marine conservation, and not just letting it slip away
SS has 30 years of "saving" the most abundant species of whales and seals while many others go extinct.
They aren't "doing" anything except making money hand over fist.
Paul Watson explains exactly how the scheme works in an interview with Barbara Frum after getting thrown out of greenpeace. He intended it to be a criticism of them -- but fast forward and he uses the exact money-making techniques.
Does SS do anything for the Vaquita? Nope.
For Hector's dolphins?.... More
I heard on the news that Lee was once charged for littering after throwing money to the bystanders on the street. How about those politicians who spread around a lot of newly printed money around to do all kind of bail out ?
The whaling vessel rammed the antiwhaling vessel, not the other way around regardless of what the japanese claim. Watch the video, anyone who would claim otherwise is missing cards from their deck.
So James Lee ruined my afternoon commute back home to Silver Spring because he was a rabid follower of former VP Al Gore and his film "An Incovenient Truth".
Well I guess it's true when folks say that Karma is a *****. Guess what? Yesterday afternnon we saw the true face of the enviromental fringe: Lunatic, irrational, prone to violence, and a strict adherent to leftist/liberal anti-democratic philosophy.
Talk about an incovenient truth!!!
I would like to think that we can all be slightly inconvenienced to save our Grandchildren. If we demand that Utilities stop burning COAL simply because it is the cheapest fuel - and if we convert our commuter car to Electric these small inconveniences will allow us to continue to live.
uuuhhhh i guess you can see all things oh great one
your statement is only as true as its basic assumption. That we would die, since that is wrong, your conclusion is also wrong.
Even if we spontaneously burned all the coal on the entire planet all at once, we would still survive...so burn on. If you were really worried about pollution, you should focus on all the man-made toxic chemicals and industrial by-products we put into the eco-system, as opposed to base elements like carbon which are anything but pollution.
In a few billion years, the sun will destroy all life on this planet no matter what anyone does about it. All plant and animal life on the planet is food for other plants and animals. Every individual living thing dies, and life as a whole will eventually end.
Human beings are unique, sacred, and more valuable then any material thing. Even the worst most terrible person, is still and always will be such, simply because they are a Human being.
Anyone who thinks that plants or.... More
IF WE HAVE TIME we are destined to spread Human Life to the Stars - IF WE HAVE TIME. We could destroy our Planet's ability to support life in a couple of hundred years - and once the tipping point is reached it won't matter what we do - the cascade will continue and we will only be able to cry out "WHY DIDN'T WE ACT WHILE WE HAD TIME"
Both of your comments show a lack of understanding of the science involved in both scenarios, neither of which change any of the truths I posted, and your comments miss the point entirely.
All life in the universe will eventually end, regardless of how long the time line is. Our planet will always have life while its here, regardless of what we do. That doesnt change the nature of human life, and its worth. Lastly, there is no tipping point to be reached.
Your post is a.... More
I wonder if these guys are going to get on Napolitano's list of dangerous extremists along with pro-lifers and veterans. I'll bet not.
The things that the SS are doing could hardly be classified as eco-terrorism. Well I guess it should be that the word eco-terrorism should mean something else. These people are eco-heros. Seriously how many people believe that the Japanese need to kill 1,000 whales a year in order to have statistically significant data. On top of that, if it was in fact for scientific research, I ask why not donate their profits to breeding, preserving, etc of whales so that they can sustain the whales they.... More
"Seriously how many people believe that the Japanese need to kill 1,000 whales a year in order to have statistically significant data"
At least 200 scientists in the International Whaling Commission's Scientific Committee.
Next.
All environmentalists are terrorists. Go back to your Al Gore worship, and leave the thinking, intelligent population alone.
You mean to say that anyone who wants a cleaner and better-sustained planet to live on is a "terrorist"? Terrorists are those who refuse cooperation and reasoning in order to threaten the public with violence. However, those (reasonable people) who acknowledge the incredible uniqueness of this little planet we live on and seek to preserve it do not resort to violence or close their mind to reason and compromise. Clearly Lee was not one of these reasonable people, and perhaps he was just fed up.... More
Yeah- you are so intelligent- you crap in your own nest. Look around at the pollution mankind has caused with their "intelligence". I prefer wisdom- animals know better than to foul their own nest...
God gave us Stewardship of his Creation. We are in the middle of the 6th mass extinction of life on Earth. One caused the layer of DEATH that became COAL about 350 Million years ago - and another more famous one - caused by the impact of a celestial object killed the dinosaurs 65 Million years ago and produced the layer of DEATH we call Petroleum. Species are going extinct around the Planet at an alarming rate. One only needs to look at Pakistan Floods or the History of the American dust.... More
The dustbowl was caused by humans. How does that have anything to do with god, dinosaurs or asteroids? Maybe you should study history...
I have studied History and the conclusion is that what we are experiencing today in the loss of species is also recorded in the HISTORY of the planet during the OTHER mass extinctions - the only difference this time is that we will be one of the Species that will not be able to survive if we destroy our ability to raise crops because of drought and rising seas.
That was a rather extremist remark about an extremist.
I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! .... " Barry Goldwater. I saw that in order to save my Grandchildren from a world where they must watch their grandchildren die of thirst and famine while fleeing pestilence war and death - what could be considered TOO EXTREME - I am for car bombing Coal Power Plants and Hummer Dealerships.
"I am for car bombing"
You, sir are a terrorist.
IF I am forced to KILL someone threatening my family - even though I abhor violence - I WILL DO IT. If that terrifies you GOOD!
A Hummer sitting on a lot or driving around is not a direct threat to you, not even an indirect threat to you. Simply stated you DO not have the right to go around blowing up stuff you sinmly disagree with - and that is what it boils down to.
Do I have the right to kill someone who is threatening to blow up a Hummer on the off chance I will be nearby when the Hummer explodes - maybe Hummer owners can kill you just on a precaution? No of course not! But I can see you have made up.... More
After you are finished bombing yourself back into the stone age here in the US, you will have to move to China to catch up with the Hummer people.
Keep up with current events much blowhard?
China is part of the same PLANET that we live on. If the rest of the WORLD comes to the realization that CHINA and the USA must be NUKED to save the other 5 Billion - then it will be what will happen. That is NOT what i would prefer happen - but it will to save THEIR lives and the EARTH.
This guy is completely out of touch. He uses mySpace for Pate's sake. Who uses mySpace nowadays anyway? Creepy. ;-P
Who uses MySpace? The American liberal-left. Facebook requires intelligence to post.
James Lee is an example of another extreme environmentalist gone too far, in this case tragically too far while permanently affecting the lives of those he took hostage and those police officers who had to make the decision to end his life.
These fringe groups and extreme environmentalists need a place to better focus their energies in ways that can actually inform the public, vs what ultimately boils down to eco-terrorism and other misguided attacks on individuals or individual.... More
Reason he is dead cause cops used REAL terrorist killing bullets. Pointing gun at other people is terror. They made sure nobody wasted $$ on trial....good thinking and saved the planet and lawyers printing documents. Cops are real heros. Anybody else want to pick up gun or use bombs or acid ? Come on now...where are planet lovers when U want to fire off another round ?? (Are bullets considered s lead poisoning?)
He was a nut case first, then an eco-terrorist. If he didn't pick the environmnent as a cause he would have picked something else.
I'll hold up the carpet while you get the broom...
would have been nice if he just picked his nose instead.
Environmental terrorists live on the fringe of nomral society, frequently resorting to violence to force others (including politicians) to adopt their personal convictions. These people frequently have no scientific knowledge of the environment or the resources that are placed there, but turn a blind-eye to their every day use of them! The Federal Gov't needs to become more pro-active in identifying these people and incarcerating those that hold these radical agendas.
They definitely lack scientific knowledge. Who else would think burning an SUV is a good solution to air pollution?
second "Andrew Schenkel is partially wrong".
Though I don't defend so-called "eco-terrorism" at all, it's funny (and sad) to me that "environmental extremism" doesn't refer to the worst polluters on the planet. Why isn't destroying mountains, filling streams with toxic waste, destroying beautiful wild places, etc., considered "environmentally extreme"? Only the people (however ugly their methods) trying to bring attention to the problems are considered extreme? Really??
Agreed, most of the environmental extremists turn a blind eye to the environmental damage they actually cause. When a tree is spiked, by the time the spike causes damage in the mill, the tree is already dead! Come on, figure out a better way to make your point. The use of natural resources to improve our way of life will always continue. Environmental extremism is like throwing rocks at a stream to try and make it stop flowing. There are more effective ways, you just have to think with your.... More
It is only terrorism if you are not making money at it. Fear and intimidation of the local population or use of toxic materials on their property is 'fine' as long as there is a profit motive.
im all for the environment but to take it to this level... come on. way to put a bad name on evironmentalists who are already looked at as practically insane amongst most of the uneducated america.
If he's so smart, how come he's dead?
Because he took pointed his gun at a hostage, and that's when a police sniper shot him dead.
"They have caused property damage sure, but they have never killed nor injured anyone"
Peter Bethune was convicted of assault.
6 Japanese crew members have been injured in the filming of Whale Wars.
Butyric acid is a highly toxic chemical which burns the skin and eyes. The MSDS reveals it is so corrosive that it's more dangerous on skin contact than if swallowed.
Furthermore, what Lee did is straight out of the radical side of Environmental movement where "direct.... More
