CFL vs. incandescent: Battle of the bulb
Compact fluorescent lamps are more efficient than traditional light bulbs, but they also contain toxic mercury. MNN sheds light on which is the brighter pick.
Metallic atoms are also the light source in fluorescent lamps, but they use vaporized mercury instead of a solid filament. The incoming electrical current is carried through a glass tube, straight or coiled, that's filled with mercury vapor and argon gas. The electrified mercury atoms begin vibrating and releasing invisible ultraviolet light, which in turn excites a fluorescent phosphor coating on the inside of the tube, finally producing the visible light.
An incandescent bulb doesn't contain mercury, but it still has a higher overall mercury footprint than a CFL, thanks to the coiled tube's energy efficiency. Coal-fired power plants are humans' No. 1 source of mercury pollution, and energy-intensive incandescents make those plants burn more coal than CFLs do. That extra coal burning releases more mercury than the amount inside a CFL plus the coal emissions needed to light it.
Are incandescent bulbs burned out?
One of these dark-horse light sources is the LED, or light-emitting diode. LEDs are already common in a variety of devices, ranging from the blinking red light on a camcorder to the green power button on a computer. LEDs are more efficient, versatile and long-lasting than either incandescent or fluorescent lights, emitting light in a specific direction rather than radiating it outward indiscriminately, which wastes energy. They also absorb back what little heat they produce into an internal heat sink, leaving the LED itself cool to the touch.- Energy Star: CFLs Buyers Guide
- Energy Star: CFL Savings Calculator
- Energy Star: CFLs and Mercury
- EPA: CFL Recycling Where You Live
- Energy Star: Commercial LED Lighting
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Updates on federal and local USA/Canada state lighting regulations
http://ceolas.net/#li01inx
Legislated Texas June 2011, to allow local manufacture of the incandescents.
As seen, 2 weeks ago, Canada Government officially postponed a ban to (at least) 2014, citing further research and information is needed.
See the comprehensive article published on this subject by the Science and Public Policy Institute in June 2011, at http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/cfl_fi...
Interesting document by Ed Contoski
the CFL fire, radiation and mercury safety issues are also covered extensively here, http://ceolas.net/#li18eax with references that include him.
Nice Article....I want to use the best CFL in my home in order to save max energy.Can anyone throw a light on the best CFLs available in the market..I had heard about havells sylvania..are they really good?????
Acc to my perspective the time has came to completely phase out incandescent bulbs...I had installed havells CFLs in my home which help me in saving a lot of energy.
i cant find right away the answer,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
can somebody help mhe,,,,,what is the procedure in making the recycable materials?
I will try to help. Can you tell me more about what you want to know how is made from recycled materials? (glass? metal? plastic? paper? Something else?)
I use CFL bulbs most of the year. But because I live in Canada and already have some of the incandescent bulbs, I've been using a few in select places [near where I sit in my small living room, for instance, and 2 in my small bathroom] in the winter months because it seems to me that the heat from the incandescent will help heat the air near me and help me keep the thermostat low. I'd be very interested to know if the heat of an incandescent bulb used in a lamp which has lots of air.... More
I guess the thing to do would be a little experiment of your own. Do you feel warmer sitting next to the incandescent bulb, or not? I live in southeast Alaska and although our temps are considered moderate, our summers are generally cool and our winters get pretty cold. I use the CFL's year round. I'd be interested what you determine if you experiment with this.
Costco sells high quality CFL's in boxes of 8 for a very reasonable price. The last time I bought them they were under ten bucks. May have gone up a little in the meantime. They will last 3 years even with lots of use. They do not have a long delay before coming on. They are available in cooler and warmer light color. They will cut your electric bill by a good little chunk and you will not have to replace them every time you turn around. Only in the USA do people refuse to save on their.... More
Whether we like it or not, incandescent bulbs have a place in our society, no matter how small. Merely one example is a small water well shed that is prone to freezing during the winter. The Pump is protected by a small, well insulated shed (shack, house), about a three foot cube. I have found that the best thing to keep it from freezing and providing light at the same time is a 100 watt incandescent light bulb. Now, if I were to have to switch to the other style of light, I would have to.... More
Hi, I work in the LED sector and I've been hearing all the problems people are having with CFLs and recycling them. We have studied CFLs and even though the cost is reasonable and it's consumption is lower that incandescent lamps, they do have some faults:
1) They take quite a long time to warm up to their full brightness, therefore are not suitable for places like bathrooms and kitchens, where you switch lights on and off all the time.
2) The color temperature they emit is awful,.... More
You never touched on the HEALTH EFFECTS from Toxic Mercury Exposure when the bulb is broken: these can include neurological damage, tremors, learning disabilities, and death. Children are 100 times more susceptible to these exposures. Reports on Chinese workers in factories producing CFLs state thaat workers are suffering Mercury poisoning and death from their exposure on the job. The 2nd known Hazard from CFL bulbs is the electromagnetic field, or EMF, that is emitted from the ballast. .... More
CFLs will be outdated soon but I gladly replace incandescents with CFLs until better technology emerges. Off brand CFLs do not live up to advertised lamp-life but the Sylvania CFLs I've installed are excellent. Especially for difficult to reach applications, replacing incandescents with CFLs is a no-brainer. When people complain about new technology, I suspect they'd prefer a cave dwelling. Go figure...
I would love to see LED"s compared in the chart - for both energy savings and mercury emissions. I installed Cree LED can lights in my addition and they are beautiful. The light is great, they are dimmable, and they only use about 11 watts - and they last for at least 20 years. When I have all 7 lights on in the kitchen, they use less energy than one 100 watt incandescent bulb, and they are almost always dimmed at 50% for even greater energy savings.
look Edison had a great idea and there's some downers to it, but no ones saying we should have glass lighting peice's with mercury a filled center
Use any DOE 2 based energy software and it will show you that CFL's cost consumers about $50 more per year in heat dominated areas like Pittsburgh for instance. The Electric utilities love CFL's because they reduce peak load in the cooling season which reduces their need to add capacity for peaks. Since the regular bulbs produce heat, the unknowing consumer is burning about $50 more in natural gas. The Gas utility is okay with that......CFLs are a scam in heating climates. Please don't clue-in.... More
The flickering of the CFLs give me migraines (and to a lesser extent LEDs in large quantities hurt my eyes, too). Ugh. I can't have them in the house so I'll be up the creek if incandescent bulbs are pushed out of the market. I can't imagine it's a completely uncommon problem to have. Give me a good old fashioned bulb and we're good to go. Otherwise, I guess we're back to kerosene lamplight.
im hoping manufacturers can make new incandescent lightss! i dont want to put mercury in my home!!!
Creative thinking and the most is bulb is consider as a energy saver . When we go to travel destinations use bulb as a energy consume.
You also compare everyhting based on coal plants. As others have pointed out, the coal plant Hg emissions are being continually DECREASED, so that Hg will get reduced (and is not taken into account in the article's ana;lysis).
Plus, why do we still have coal-fired plants? BECAUSE THE GREENS WON'T LET US BUILD CLEAN NUCLEAR PLANTS. There's you're one-stop solution to a host of "green" concerns, but OMG it's a NUKE we can't have that!!!!
The lead in incandescents is in the solder, which isn't AEROSOLIZED like the mercury in CFLs. You aren't going to get lead poisoning from a broken regular light bulb, but you'll inhale the mercury from a broken CFL.
The key line in this whole article is "Congress put its foot down...". Yeah, right on us. It's time for us to put the foot down on Congress. I don't need a nanny, you fatuous bunch of crooks. Don't tell me what toilet/showerhead/light bulb to buy. Convinceme on their.... More
People who blindly continue believing what they think is right in spite of all the facts clearly presented obviously could use a nanny. My major was in energy mgmt and I've studied these issues for 9 years now. At this point its simply ignorant to rant against a law the Pres. Bush signed when the "merits" are obvious to anyone with 2 or more brain cells to rub together. Like teabaggers, some people will advocate against their own best interest because of a lack of maturity and this attitude of.... More
Old bulbs may still contain a dot of lead solder, but after 2006, leading manufacturers have ceased to use lead in light bulbs.
If you have a lot of fluorescent bulbs in your facility you already know the cost and energy savings they can bring. Fortunately recycling them isn't all that hard or expensive. Using prepaid mail-in programs like EasyPak (http://www.lamprecycling.com) are pretty inexpensive and also guarantee that you won't get stuck with an EPA fine.
For more info see my blog at .... More
But have you done the research on broken CFL bulbs? ...and their invisible risks? Compact fluorescent bulbs contain vaporized elemental mercury, (Hg) which will immediately spread through the air if the bulb breaks. If you breathe the vapors, Mercury enters the lungs and can enter the brain directly through the nasal cavity. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) states that NO amount of Mercury exposure is safe. The EPA Reference Concentration (RfC) is set at 300 nonograms of vaporized.... More
Seriously Aaron, you're willing to pay another $34.95 to recycle your bulbs? Do you really think that after people have already payed a higher price for the CFLs initially, they're willing (and albe) to pay even more to get rid of them afterwards?
I rather suspect a lot of CFLs will end up in the trash...
Halogenica - I'm not sure where you live, but in our area every place that sells CFLs also accepts them back to recycle for free. There are containers at the front of the stores and you simply bring you lamps in a plastic bag and deposit them for free. Assuming lamps have burned out or broken, they're going to need replacing and for that you'll need a store. Anyone that can't be bothered to bring their old lamps in with them to the exact same place they're already heading is just plain.... More
I don't know where you live but I have not heard of any place and especially a retail outlet accepting cfl's for recycling. You must live in some big city somewhere. And the statement that you can get cfls for $2.00 to $3.00 that has been mentioned in some of the comments is rediculous. Try more like $5.00 or $6.00 each. The whole idea is a money grab for someone. Maybe the government has shares in Hg mines or something. In the end the average consumer goes home broke and sick.
Around here, AEP has had programs with stores such as Wal-Mart to sell CFLs for about $1 each for 40w 60w 75w and 100w equivalent bulbs and $2 for other larger bulbs. The brand was "Lights of America". I bought a bunch of these and replaced every bulb in my entire house. However I did have two bathrooms with 4 vanity bulbs each, and those were not sold cheap. I think it cost about $25 to replace all 8 bulbs there. But other than that, if you can find programs like that in your area I.... More
I have installed several CFL's in my home. I write the install date on each one. It has been my experience that they last less than 6 months or several hundred hours. Some longer. A CFL weights 4 times mass than the same Watt incandecent. It also has a electronic ballast with almost 20 components. It is hazardous to recycle. CFL's have bad light. You can have them. I have them in my Kitchen, Garage, and Outside are lights. Good for that but no good to eat your dinner by or have in a living.... More
I built my house in 1996, istalled ten CFLs in the kitchen and living room. I noticed last night that one of them is still working - a little dimmer than the others, but still putting out pretty good light. Most of the others have only been replaced once. Sorry, I don't buy the "CFLs dont last" argument.
Thanks Russell for an interesting and balanced view of different lighting..
To put it in another perspective:
Americans choose to buy ordinary light bulbs around 9 times out of 10.
Banning what Americans want gives the supposed savings - no point in banning an impopular product!
If new LED lights -or improved incandescents- that you mention are good,
people will buy them - no need to ban ordinary light bulbs (little point).
If they are not good, people.... More
RE Mercury : CFL v Coal Power
Why does this folk tale keep doing the rounds?
Greater coal power mercury problem was only ever true where untreated coal power dominated,
and is not true any longer.
New injection and photochemical techniques along with conventional gasification and wet scrubber use have -and will- dramatically reduce all coal power mercury emissions:
USA Government EPA: 90% reduction by 2018, (phase 1 = 21% reduction by 2010, phase 2 = 69% further.... More
My sister-in-law's electrician told her about one of his clients who dropped and broke a CFL in her home. The package recommended that she call the EPA for disposal information. She called them and they had her seal that room closed with duct tape. They arrived in Haz-Mat suits 3 days later, removed the bulb and a circle of carpet and left her with a $5000 bill.
Sue,
There are three possible explanations for your comment
1) Either your sister in law or your sister in-laws electrician has lied to you, and made this story up.
2) You are repeating an old wives tale yourself, and your sister in law didn't even tell you this story, in which case you are promulgating false information (i.e lying), or
3) Someone at the EPA is in cahoots with hazmat teams, looking for suckers to pay 5K and pad their wallets.
I'm not even.... More
There is always a lot of talk about CFLs with their mercury and the associated dangers, which is valid and it is good to be careful. But incandescent light bulbs actually contain a significant amount of lead, which is also a potent neuro-toxin, so the mercury draw back of CFLs is not as significant as it might seem.
"Incandescent light bulbs contain lead at levels that exceed hazardous waste limits. " from: .... More
they used to have lead solder, but that stopped several years ago
To think that the Amish have no need for any kind of light bulb,and about 25 percent of the worlds population does not even know what a light bulb is,it seems to me that certain people should take their light any way they can and shut the hell up,but what really broke my balls was this lady bitching about the time it takes to receive the light from the cfl after turning on the switch,if she is that impatient, I really feel sorry for her husband!
To think that the Amish have no need for any kind of light bulb,and about 25 percent of the worlds population does not even know what a light bulb is,it seems to me that certain people should take their light any way they can and shut the hell up,but what really broke my balls was this lady bitching about the time it takes to receive the light from the cfl after turning on the switch,if she is that impatient, I really feel sorry for her husband!




























