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Russell McLendon

How to discuss climate change with your uncle during the holidays

If your holiday dinner conversation turns into a debate over global warming, here are a few tips for staying cool while standing up for science.

Tue, Nov 22 2011 at 3:23 PM EST
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Most people know better than to bring up politics, religion or climatology in polite company. It's a recipe for arguments, or at least for awkwardness.
 

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But when families get together for big holiday meals like Thanksgiving and Christmas, that recipe is often dusted off anyway. And whether it's your nephew demonizing the Tea Party, your niece deifying Tim Tebow, or your aunt and uncle arguing about polar bears, no one wants squabbling to overshadow gobbling at a holiday feast.
 
Still, not all taboo topics are the same. Fuzzier issues like politics and religion are often sensitive, since they're largely matters of opinion and faith. But climate science is a little different, thanks to the "science" part. It's one thing to bite your tongue while a relative rants about taxes or morality, but what if the conversation turns to coral bleaching or glacier loss? Is it worth risking an argument to set the record straight?
 
In most cases, probably not. It's not like your relative is addressing the United Nations, and you might just come off as uptight and self-righteous for trying to squelch dissent. If your uncle had two glasses of wine and wants to grumble about Al Gore, you're probably better off letting him. Otherwise, you could just end up convincing him even further that environmentalists want to control his life.
 
But that's not to say you should never speak up for science at family gatherings. Polite enlightenment is possible; it just requires being knowledgeable and confident without seeming nitpicky or condescending. And even if you can do that, it still depends on your audience, which may have little patience for a science lesson.
 
If you decide it's worth the risks, though — maybe your uncle can be open-minded, or you know your cousin will back you up — here's a quick guide for explaining climate change without raining on everyone's parade:
 
1. Don't blow hot air: Whether you're debating your uncle or a stranger, it helps to know what you're talking about. Doing your homework will help ensure you always have a response ready without resorting to hyperbole. Below are a few examples of claims you might hear from a climate-change denier, along with a rebuttal to each (and links to more comprehensive lists). If you want a cheat sheet, consider printing out this guide or loading it on your smartphone for easy reference.
 
  • "There's no evidence of global warming, and computer models are unreliable."

Scientists don't need computer models to tell them global warming is under way. For that, they can look to surface-temperature records, satellite data, ice-sheet borehole analysis, measurements of sea-level rise and sea-ice extent, and observations of permafrost loss and glacier melting. Computer models are helpful for predicting future climate patterns, and they're becoming increasingly accurate, but they're hardly the only evidence we have.

 
  • "Global temperatures stopped rising in 1998."

This argument has lost some steam lately, especially since 2005 and 2010 tied as the hottest years on record. But it was never very convincing to begin with, since it implies that only a linear year-to-year rise indicates a trend. 1998 was hot, but it's considered an outlier because a strong El Niño skewed it even hotter. This graph shows yearly variability of global temperature anomalies (thin line) as well as as the "smoothed" average (bold line) from 1880 to 2010:

 

 
  • "Glaciers are actually growing."

There are about 160,000 glaciers on Earth, and since scientists can't monitor them all collectively, they study groups of "reference glaciers." According to the World Glacier Monitoring Service, the average reference glacier has lost 12 meters (39 feet) of water-equivalent thickness since 1980. Some glaciers are stable, and a few are even growing, but many that provide key freshwater supplies are melting at an alarming rate. As glaciologist Bruce Molnia told MNN in 2010, warming affects low-elevation glaciers first, since temperatures are cooler in the mountains. "The lower the elevation of origin, the more dire the time period when the glacier will be affected," Molnia said.

 
  • "The climate has changed before, so we can't be blamed for changing it now."

Earth's climate has changed lots of times without human help, but does that really mean humans are incapable of changing it? As Skeptical Science points out, that's "like arguing that humans can't start bushfires because in the past they've happened naturally." When the climate changed eons ago, it was because something made it change — extra sunshine warmed it up, volcanic clouds cooled it down. We know carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases trap heat in the atmosphere, and we're now releasing those gases at a record pace. And the main problem is that modern-day climate change is happening faster than in the past, potentially outpacing some species' ability to adapt.

 
  • "Global warming is good for humans."

CO2 does help plant growth, and warmer weather can initially boost crops in northern regions. But this view ignores widespread, long-term dangers in favor of scattered, short-term benefits. Climate change encourages extreme weather — including longer droughts in some places and bigger storms in others — that can decimate crops, and it also helps some pests expand their range. Global warming poses too many threats to list here, but they include: the loss of fisheries and marine ecosystems to ocean acidification; the loss of coastal communities to rising seas; the loss of freshwater supplies due to melting glaciers; and increased conflict due to droughts, floods and famine.

 
For a full list of responses to these and other climate claims, check out this 2009 report by the University of Oregon's Climate Leadership Initiative, this guide for "How to talk to a climate skeptic" by journalist Coby Beck, and this list of arguments and myths by Skeptical Science. A wealth of information about climate change can also be found at NOAA's climate.gov as well as climate.nasa.gov and epa.gov/climatechange.
 
2. Don't be insulting: There's no going back from ad hominem attacks. Don't treat your uncle like he's dumb, and don't be rude or condescending. Admit it when you don't know something; give your uncle credit when he's right. This will help your credibility, and maybe even help prevent a holiday fracas with your family.
 
3. Cite your sources: No one expects you to bring a bibliography to Thanksgiving, but it would help if you could at least rattle off a few reputable sources of your information. That shouldn't be too hard, since most major scientific organizations around the world have reached a consensus that global warming is real and human activity contributes to it. NOAA, NASA and the EPA are good places to start, as is the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (which, coincidentally, is holding a big climate summit next week in South Africa). Be respectful of your uncle's sources, too, but if he brings up "Climategate," feel free to point out it's been debunked.
 
(UPDATE: As MNN's Karl Burkart reports, a new campaign dubbed "Hackergate" has just surfaced two years after Climategate. Nothing revelatory has emerged from the newly leaked emails so far, but if your uncle wants to press the issue, just remind him that climate change has been confirmed by far more scientists than the ones who wrote these emails — and they haven't actually been discredited, either.)
 
4. Don't mix science and politics: Climate change will never be solved without broad, coordinated political action, but that doesn't mean it needs to start at your dinner table. Opposition to climate science is largely born from deeply entrenched political attitudes about government regulation, so subjects like cap and trade are often even more sensitive than the polar ice caps. Try to keep the conversation light-hearted, or at least civil, and steer it away from politics if you can.
 
5. Take a break: Your family is a captive audience during a holiday meal, so don't bore them with endless bickering. Even if your uncle wants to keep debating solar flares and the heat-island effect, spare your relatives and suggest continuing the discussion later, maybe via email so you can both provide links to your sources.
 
However you decide to handle a climate-change denier at the dinner table, don't forget the reason you're both sitting there. Holiday meals are a celebration of family and friends, and you shouldn't let a scientific debate kill the good vibes. It's a smart strategy to apply elsewhere, too — if you can explain global warming without losing your cool, you might give environmentalists everywhere something to be thankful for.
 
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anonymous
Enter your name 11/27/2011 08:00 AM

When you switched from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change" several years ago, that is when I knew this was a hoax. My old (mid 1960's) high school science teacher warned me about you guys. She said, beware when science and politics, or people with agendas, mix. It is easy to 'prove' anything through "science.' All one has to do is to ignore data that doesn't fit the presumption. This article is just propaganda.

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Jay_Alt 01/08/2012 02:59 AM

Climate Change was in use long before the term Global Warming was coined by Broecker in the 80s. CC has always been used by scientists. In contrast, most American media decided they liked GW rather than CC in their reports. Media choices don't change the science literature. Researchers continue their preference for the original and more general term - Climate Change

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ranko 11/27/2011 02:50 AM

Search and think

In the current state of the Atmosphere

All Greenhouse Gases Cool (opposite of Warm)

Given an extra Variable

Atmosphere Minimizes internal Energy

Maximizes Cooling

By moving Concentrations Around

Simple -- similar to a stream lowing downhill

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Jay_Alt 01/08/2012 03:19 AM

You're correct in one sense, aside from the pseudo-thermodynamic bunk, (heat flows, not 'cool').  Adding extra GreenHouse Gases to the atmosphere does cool one region- the stratosphere.  That's a consequence of higher surface temperatures.  But since humans live on the Earth's surface and not high in the stratosphere, we are experiencing warming, not cooling. 

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Anti-Ranko 12/29/2011 01:01 AM

I don't know what were the marks of Sir Ranko in physics (in the grammar school), and honestly speaking I don't want to know, but the claim he is making is outperforming everything we have seen as comments on climate change.
Everybody can take two jars (one with air and the other one with CO2) and heat them up simultaneously by a large lamp (250 W), and measure the results with a thermometer. BTW the results could be inferred theoretically.
In the 1970s the developers of Modern Money.... More

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goneballistic Today 20:47 PM

Anyone visits my house and wants to parrot the GW 1/2 truths, I tell them this..."Did you walk here? No? Do you sit in your cave in the dark? No? Then STFU!"
Has there been a warming trend? Yes. Do we know definitively what it means? No. We have only experienced a micro spec of a nano-second of geologic time as recorded history. Which is why the "experts" were proclaiming the "Dawn of a New Ice Age" just 35 years ago.
Al Gore doesn't buy his own bull, either. Al lives in.... More

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Anonymous 12/19/2011 15:58 PM

RE: STFU
Do you know what it is all about?
Do you know how much of the energy is wasted by various reasons?
Can you produce cleaner energy?
Which one is harder to do: to clean up the planet of CO2 when it is polluted beyond recovery or to avoid producing that CO2?
Do you know what the future generations will thing about people like you?
Do you know where this CO2 increase is leading?
Do you know the risks of climate change (besides the ones we.... More

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ranko 11/27/2011 02:57 AM

MOFO IPCC even got the sign wrong
Stronger the Greenhouse Gas, the greater the Cooling

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Anonymous Today 21:27 PM

In 1985 weather hysterics said that we were entering a new Ice Age.

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Franko 11/27/2011 03:11 AM

Past the peak of a 60 year cycle
And a 1,000 year cycle
Ice Age -- here we Cool

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smitvict Today 20:37 PM

Warming of the earth is easy to quantify. The opinion comes in when people claim "wild weather". You can look back in the past century and found many "wild weather" events. For example, the hurricanes of the 20s and 30s were unprecedented. The "dust bowl" of the 30s was unprecedented. So has weather all along.

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WayneJ Today 18:39 PM

The hottest year on record is not a quantity. It is a temperature point in time. Consider the hottest day on record. In the US there has been over two dozen double record days. That is, days that were both the coldest and hottest. So, how do you know if this would count as a warmer than normal or a colder than normal day? You have to quantify the entire day's heat vs. cold. No one does this. So, the hottest day on record could in reality, have been several degrees below freezing and.... More

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WayneJ Today 18:35 PM

The hottest year on record is not a quantity. It is a temperature point in time. Consider the hottest day on record. In the US there has been over two dozen double record days. That is, days that were both the coldest and hottest. So, how do you know if this would count as a warmer than normal or a colder than normal day? You have to quantify the entire day's heat vs. cold. No one does this. So, the hottest day on record could in reality, have been several degrees below freezing and.... More

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WayneJ Today 18:32 PM

The hottest year on record is not a quantity. It is a temperature point in time. Consider the hottest day on record. In the US there has been over two dozen double record days. That is, days that were both the coldest and hottest. So, how do you know if this would count as a warmer than normal or a colder than normal day? You have to quantify the entire day's heat vs. cold. No one does this. So, the hottest day on record could in reality, have been several degrees below freezing and.... More

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Gordon Today 14:35 PM

It would be nice to have the climate change / global warming folks I've encountered be more polite and factual. The graph in the article starts very near end of the little ice age. Is that in some way reasonable?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age
If the facts are with you, why make such an obviously misleading presentation of data?

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Bob Today 13:32 PM

We cannot afford to have people be complacent about this. In the sixties we had advertisements against smoking on television all the time. There are no advertisements on television telling people to conserve. It is unacceptable for people to be as stupid as they are about this issue. Yes, we should bring it up until the time that people get a brain and start conserving.

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Frank Stevenson Today 10:51 AM

Great article. Funny though, I'm the 63 year old uncle and I am in a continuing debate with my 40 year old nephew who is the dis-believer!

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biohodge Today 09:43 AM

If you or your uncle don't have degrees in the sciences, what's the point? All you will understand is either propaganda or the well-intended thoughts of the engineer, who only got it half right. Yes, earth has a natural CO2 cycle, but what is happening now (the last 140 years) is the rapid rate in which CO2 is being deposited in our atmosphere. There is nothing natural about it - it is entirely anthropocentric and getting worse every day. he data is quantitative, solid and in the.... More

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Engineer_not_a_MBA_thinker Today 08:28 AM

I believe climate change (and CO2 levels) are a very natural cycle. It takes a million years for oil to be created by nature and a minute by mans' machines to pump it out of the ground. What is not natural about this?

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The_Mick Today 04:07 AM

Most of those arguing against Global Warming involve saying there a "cycles of nature." I, a scientist, point out to such people the joint U.S.-French-Russian "Vostok Study" of air bubbles trapped in Antarctic ice and over the last 420,000 years CO2 was NEVER about 294 ppm. It's 385 now. There's no "cycle" going on. Others claim "Sun Spots." They've been at a minimum until recently. The Vostok study with graphs is here on a government site put up during G W Bush's Administration: .... More

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Cumulonimbus Today 10:14 AM

CO2 levels have in fact greatly exceeded the present concentration, but it happened before the Antarctic ice was in place--during the Paleocene Eocene climate maximum. In that case, warm temperatures caused the release of CO2 from the ocean and from permafrost, and the increased CO2 helped further increase the temperatures. The ice cores you describe did not include that period, since the ice was not present. CO2 and temperature are in fact naturally coupled. That implies that warming due to.... More

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Merritt Swift Today 01:40 AM

Its obvious from what I have encountered that those who have the most leftist politics no matter the facts are also the firmest believers in Man Made Climate Change.That speaks for itself and is no small coincidence.

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M Pedro 11/25/2011 23:46 PM

Fascinating b.s. The best part is the the climate summit in So. Africa. Nice selection of locations to ensure maximum airflight miles and jet fuel consumption to exacerbate the alleged man-made effect on this nonsense. Whatever.

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avictor 11/25/2011 22:25 PM

I STFU at family gatherings. No one wants a lecture or to be educated according to me.

Even if someone brings it up, I simply stuff my face with food to resist the urge to debate.

Unless your fmaily members happen to be influential politicians, leaders of some sort or activists I see no point in trying to convince them of any one point of view.

AND even IF unless you have dedicated your life to educating others you are a hypocrite or bully for picking on your own family.... More

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John 11/25/2011 18:54 PM

Its impossible to argue scientific data with brainwashed halfwits that rely on Rush Limbaugh or the oil companies for their "facts".

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stone.mike64 Today 18:42 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yeah, unlike  the FACTS the eco-rads get force fed to them by those impeccable paragons of fact, Soros, Gore and global deniers of the right to individual freedoms! Remember that irrefutable saying by Ms Clinton, "It takes a village to screw what few folks will work out of their very last dime!"

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Nate (Seattle, WA) 11/25/2011 16:55 PM

Let's stop the Oprah Winfrey talk-about-our-feelings nonsense. A spade needs to be called a spade.

It's conservatives and libertarians that deny climate change. It's not on the basis of reason. People make decisions based on emotion, and simply search for reasons to support those decisions, to create the appearance of rationality. This is a pretty well-understood idiosyncrasy of the human mind.

Right-wingers have the emotional response that they don't want to be told what to.... More

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us_1776 11/25/2011 16:20 PM

It's already too late.

We've past the tipping point and nobody even cares.

The atmosphere is overturning faster from equator to pole. The causes warm air to move to the polar regions faster, causing melting which in turn opens the seas making the atmosphere more humid, causing more snows in non-polar regions. This is the start of the next ice age. We'll see much more warming then huge snowfalls that turn to ice then precipitice falls in temperature as white covers the.... More

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Nate (Seattle, WA) 11/25/2011 16:50 PM

Uh, sorry. Fail.

You do not know where the tipping point is. Nobody knows. The only thing we can say for sure is that the longer we do nothing, the closer we get to it. You don't know if it happened 5 years ago, or 40 years from now. To do nothing on the basis of your wild guess would be completely irresponsible.

As for us starting another ice age, wrong again. It doesn't matter how much more water is in the atmosphere, if you warm air temperatures. Snow doesn't fall when.... More

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Joshi 11/25/2011 15:44 PM

I gave up years ago. Talking climate change with friends, they make me out to be some crazy false prophet trying to get out the vision of a false future. I only say one line and thats... "Santa dosen't have a home anymore, what more evidence do you need?" I leave it at that... other wise they are to manly to admit it, it seems.
My worry is the environment, always has been, front and center(Scientifically as well as Religiously). But living in the states makes it difficult. You mention.... More

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Skeptic 11/25/2011 13:03 PM

You are right about one thing: discussing this at dinner would be bad. Climate Change is just another religion. Very few know the science themselves; most are just repeating talking points.

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Cumulonimbus Today 10:25 AM

I am a politically conservative atmospheric scientist. I agree, based on simple physics and climate observations that the atmosphere is clearly warming, and that increased CO2 from human activities is an important contributing factor. At the same time, I see your point about proponents of climate change behaving as if it were a religion. Many of them make statements intended to scare people into changing their behaviors. Many of those statements are probably true. Yet, others are.... More

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Peter O'Connor 11/23/2011 16:22 PM

Crackin writing

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What about the new emails? 11/22/2011 16:51 PM

You have emails from other scientists stating that that they don't think much of Mann's hockey stick reconstruction. I went through the Briffa tree proxies myself and laughed. Don't waste family members time on climate nonsense. Talk about football.

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rmclendon 11/22/2011 17:21 PM

Thanks, I've added an update about that. And you can read more about it here: http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climate-weather/blogs/hackers-break-into-university-in-attempt-to-revive-climategate-s

But you're right, football probably is a better conversation topic than Briffa tree proxies. Unless you're a Colts fan.

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Momof2 11/22/2011 16:05 PM

Can you come to my house and help me with this? :) Thanks for the great tips!

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ErikaLudwig 11/22/2011 15:16 PM

Thanks for these helpful tips!

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