Simple computer program decodes lost Biblical language
UGARITIC: Related to Hebrew, deciphering the Ugaritic language has been crucial to clarifying Old Testament text. (Photo: Wiki Commons/CC License)
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View:Ding Dong
Posted By Ali Clarka - Thu, Jul 22 2010 at 1:24 AM ESTHopefully everyone will be able to speak it soon someday!
Enquiring Minds
Posted By Ursula Koons - Thu, Jul 22 2010 at 12:39 AM ESTI want to know if the translation differed... While this is cool in a 'it can be done' way it would be real news if it confirmed the original human translation.
Enquiring Minds
Posted By Ursula Koons - Thu, Jul 22 2010 at 12:38 AM ESTI want to know if the translation differed in anyway... While this is cool in a it can be done way it would be real news if it confirmed the original human translation.
Other examples
Posted By tjbv - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 6:16 PM ESTLinear A? The Voynich manuscript? Rohonc Codex? Rongorongo?
I'd love to see them translated.
Star Trek Here We Come
Posted By Seth - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 5:38 PM EST:) I think it's great. Maybe the idea of an universal language decoder is not so far fetched.
What will it read?
Posted By Robert Maxwell - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 5:02 PM ESTJust the fact that it will read is astonishing. They should feed in the Arizona Immigration Law and translate that for Eric Holder.
Rosetta Stone?
Posted By Dean Kaflowitz - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 4:46 PM ESTThe comparison of the computer to the Rosetta Stone makes no sense. The Rosetta Stone was a an artifact that had a large number of hieroglyphs and was deciphered largely because it was bilingual. It was, in this context, similar to a clay fragment containing Ugaritic symbols, not to a laptop computer used to decode the symbols.
Rosetta Stone haha
Posted By Jerod - Thu, Jul 22 2010 at 1:05 PM ESTThey didn't say THE Rosetta Stone, they said Rosetta Stone... look it up. How have you no idea what it is?
THE Rostta Stone
Posted By they did say THE Rosetta Stone - Wed, Jul 28 2010 at 2:38 AM ESTno, they did say "the Rosetta Stone" not rosetta stone; and it's a good analogy. Think about it again
No Story Here
Posted By Mark - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 4:19 PM ESTThis is not news. Read the third paragraph.
"Ugaritic text was nothing more than a series of dots and wedge-shaped marks to linguists and scholars when it was first discovered on clay tablets in 1928, excavated from the rubble of the ancient city of Ugarit by French archaeologists. Even though the language is closely related to Hebrew, experts did not decipher it until 1932"
MIT has written a computer program to to what has already been done.
There is a story here
Posted By Brent - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 4:34 PM ESTIts not the fact that it was already deciphered that is important, it is the fact that a computer program was able to do in hours what took years, and has never been done before by a machine. Also the professor from Oregon is just mad that his group was beat to the punch on this.
No, not really a story. Yet.
Posted By George - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 8:34 PM ESTI'm forced to agree that there is probably no story here. It seems very likely that MIT wrote the program specifically to tackle this particular language. However, it could be a first step toward a program that could do this for real. That would be a story.
What does the document say?
Posted By carolyn - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 4:11 PM ESTBloody cool. OK, again what does it say?
lost biblical language
Posted By robert Cleveland - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 4:38 PM ESTWhat change /differences does this particular document offer? If any.
Good work!
Posted By Sereneathena12 - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 4:03 PM ESTMIT deserves a lot of credit. It might not seem like a big deal, but computers are not good with language. It's very difficult to create a program to translate written language and even more difficult for spoken. Just type a complex sentence into google translate and see what it gets translated into. If this is as successful as this story leads readers to believe, this is a big deal (at least to linguists like me).
re:Good work!
Posted By Greatest Programmer in the World - Thu, Jul 22 2010 at 4:45 PM ESTcomputers, computer languages, computer programs are an extension of the human mind. A human computer programmer can write a decyphering program that works well or not at all.
As for being the GPINW and having written programs that interpreted the logic of several computer programs into other computer program languages successfully, i would find this an interesting challenge and valuable tool for linguists like you :)
Queen's English?
Posted By whocares - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 3:47 PM ESTSpeaking of language--did the author really use the phrases, "no more," "no longer," and "nothing more," within a few sentences of one another, in a NEWS piece? Trying to stretch the word count, eh? Wow.
Queens English
Posted By michele in mississippi - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 5:21 PM ESTi wondered if anyone else noticed that.....
I wonder would it work
Posted By Roman - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 3:37 PM ESTon decoding the new health care law
Or maybe...
Posted By Richard - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 4:22 PM ESTthe thought patterns of the modern Republican?
Judy, Judy, Judy!!
Posted By Paul - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 3:51 PM ESTVery, very funny. I have not stopped laughing since I took it in
... more exactly ...
Posted By Judy - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 3:33 PM ESTOn the Etruscan Language, read the grammar by Josef Pfiffig (in German).
The Voynich Manuscript has at least one level of encryption, this is a different technique from translation
Sumerian is an isolate, not a semitic language, but Akkadian is a semitic language.
further applications
Posted By Moirwen - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 3:06 PM ESTI wonder if this process could be used in decoding the Voynich Manuscript.
Simple computer program decodes lost Biblical language
Posted By Don F. - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 2:58 PM ESTI strongly suspect that this article overstates the accomplishment. In all likelyhood, the "simple program" through the process of pattern matching was able to build on the similarities between Ugaritic and ancient Hebrew or perhaps other ancient semetic languages such as Sumarian. This would enable them to take an string of characters and relate them to the semantic and syntatic patterns of a previously known language.
This is not taking an arbitrary language and translating it into.... More
SImple computer program decodes lost Biblical language
Posted By Old McDonald - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 3:22 PM ESTPlease proof your comment before putting it online; the misspellings are ironic, indeed, considering the subject matter!
You make no sense
Posted By Rosetta Stone - Fri, Jul 23 2010 at 2:10 AM ESTPlease point out his misspellings because I cant see any...... But then again I am not the grammer police either so I better leave that kinda work to the "pro's". If you have to be a doushe at least try being somewhat relevant to the topic
Uhm, got a spellchecker?
Posted By Hillbillet - Mon, Jul 26 2010 at 5:19 PM ESTI'm not the GRAMMAR police either, but you might want to actually check your spelling before saying something like that. And it's DOUCHE. Sorry, couldn't help it.
i hate spelchkres but, SERIOUSLY..
Posted By supertramp - Fri, Jul 30 2010 at 9:13 AM ESTOh, so funny! Spelling & grammar & word count are very important points when reporting and discussing "scholars" and their research concerning linguistics.
Test it on other languages
Posted By Others - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 2:54 PM ESTThey should be able to test it on other obscure languages. Many north american indian, Inuit, etc languages are still used today, so we could see it it works on them.
Test it on other languages
Posted By David - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 3:23 PM ESTI don't think this program would work with most Native American languages ... the reason being that most of the tribes never developed a written language.
language
Posted By ME - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 2:39 PM ESTWhy do these articles never say the whole scoop?? What did the decoded script say??
it said....
Posted By Clue - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 3:49 PM ESTit said it will be decoded one day by MIT folks.
insights revealed
Posted By Curtis - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 2:31 PM ESTWhen translated, the ancient hieroglyphic writing revealed clues to the daily lives of the Ugaritic people at a time before Christ. The phrase reads "U R teh gay. lol @ u"
Decoding Etruscan
Posted By grant ellsworth - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 2:12 PM ESTI read a book several years ago where it made a very strong case for ancient Etruscan being related to modern Albanian. I think this was supported by further research. Maybe the article's writers should look further into this.,
Decoding Etruscan - followup
Posted By grant ellsworth - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 2:19 PM ESTSorry for the omision - Book title was "The Etruscans Learn to Speak" - publilshed in late 1960s (?)
Etruscans Book
Posted By Anonymous - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 3:43 PM ESTIt looks like the book is: Zĕchariă Mayani. The Etruscans Begin to Speak. [London] : Souvenir Press, [1961]. Search for the title at WorldCat (dot) org.
Language is fluid
Posted By Steve - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 1:38 PM ESTLanguage has the mechanical element of patterns and syntax. Simple object identification and practical communication are easy to deduce. But when you get into semantics and meanings, the computer is virtually worthless.
Human consciousness is infinitely complex. Innuendo, sarcasm, subterfuge and irony are expressions of underlying emotions. Intonation, emphasis and expression are infinitely complex factors that influence language.
The computer will help us with the.... More
Seriously
Posted By David - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 1:17 PM ESTWhether out of interest or Religious compulsion, understanding Ugaritic aids in understanding the Jewish Bible. Fundamental human insights are fundamental human insights - enjoyed by ancients and moderns alike (well, some...) Technology, not so much. Moderns have ancients beat hands down. We have stood on too many of those giants' shoulders.
Wife speak
Posted By Mathew - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 1:12 PM ESTThe algorithm is a simple inversion my friend. What the wife says is the opposite of what she means, unless she is testing you with a paradoxical question like "Does this dress make me look fat?" to which there is no correct answer.
Computerized Translations
Posted By Kevin Handy - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 1:04 PM ESTI've done hand translations from English to German and from German to English as well as Spanish to English and so on. What you tend to find is that patterns are evident. It wouldn't matter if the target language was European or non-European the point is that in every language there is syntax, there are patterns - and I know someone will point to an example where there appear to be none. But if you think about language and how much you can do with 500 - 700 words of knowledge - that tells you.... More
Computer Translations
Posted By is this legal? - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 12:55 PM ESTBut can it translate what my wife says into what she really means?
They may have been intelligent but....
Posted By ZeroCoast - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 12:54 PM ESTAncient men may have been more intelligent than many people give them credit for. However a major difference that can be measured is the access of information that modern people enjoy, that hardly anybody throughout history had, up until the past century.
Wonders of the Ancient World
Posted By Ronin - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 12:23 PM ESTElvis and god reflect the mindset of a lot of researchers. Beginning from the perspective that everyone besides the researcher is less intelligent or somehow less sophisticated.
Ancient man designed and built structures that we are still incapable of building today. Ancient man knew enough to chart the stars and understand the workings of nature...but yet he had "far less knowledge and intelligence." What short sighted drivel.
Wonders of the Acient World
Posted By Don F. - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 2:45 PM ESTI am not sure your statment "we are still incapable of building today". I think we are most capable of building today virtually any ancient structure. What do have, in many cases, is the knowledge as to how the ancients built them in the context of their culture its technological limitations. We also don't, in many cases, know by what processes they developed their technological prowess.
Ancient man
Posted By Brennen - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 12:34 PM ESTAll of those structure were accomplished only because everyone spoke the same language. Imagine it that were the case today. What humans could build.
Ancient man
Posted By Don F. - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 2:48 PM ESTI think you are over stating things. I am assuming you are refering to the tower of Babel story which only refers to the tower of Babel. Its relevence either chronologically or situationally to the construction of any other ancient marvel is questionable at best.
Same language?
Posted By Biblical Scholar - Wed, Jul 21 2010 at 12:58 PM ESTWhat are you talking about? Are you buying into the Tower of Babel myth?
Logic
Posted By Johnc - Thu, Jul 22 2010 at 2:54 PM ESTFirstly, you're hard-pressed to call it a myth. The Hebrew Tanakh (old testament) - a reliable series of ancient documents - speaks of its existence. As well, many other extra-biblical ancient documents speak of ziggurats and similar structures that would have been around at the same time as the tower of Babel. It's not unreasonable to assume its existence.
Furthermore, it's only logical to assume that at one point mankind shared a common language or form of communication, even if you take a.... More




















...will i be able to downlaod this?
Posted By Nathan - Thu, Jul 22 2010 at 7:51 AM ESTIt would be helpful to work out what on earth people say to me on facebook.