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Japanese breakthrough will make wind power cheaper than nuclear
A surprising aerodynamic innovation in wind turbine design called the 'wind lens' could triple the output of a typical wind turbine, making it less costly than nuclear power.
Mon, Aug 29 2011 at 2:47 AM
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NOTE: Some major wind projects like the proposed TWE Carbon Valley project in Wyoming are already pricing in significantly lower than coal power -- $80 per MWh for wind versus $90 per MWh for coal -- and that is without government subsidies using today's wind turbine technology. 
 
The International Clean Energy Analysis (ICEA) gateway estimates that the U.S. possesses 2.2 million km2 of high wind potential (Class 3-7 winds) — about 850,000 square miles of land that could yield high levels of wind energy. This makes the U.S. something of a Saudi Arabia for wind energy, ranked third in the world for total wind energy potential.
 
Let's say we developed just 20 percent of those wind resources — 170,000 square miles (440,000 km2) or an area roughly 1/4 the size of Alaska — we could produce a whopping 8.7 billion megawatt hours of electricity each year (based on a theoretical conversion of six 1.5 MW turbines per km2 and an average output of 25 percent. (1.5 MW x 365 days x 24 hrs x 25% = 3,285 MWh's).
 
The United States uses about 26.6 billion MWh's, so at the above rate we could satisfy a full one-third of our total annual energy needs. (Of course, this assumes the concurrent deployment of a nationwide Smart Grid that could store and disburse the variable sources of wind power as needed using a variety of technologies — gas or coal peaking, utility scale storage via batteries or fly-wheels, etc).
 
Now what if a breakthrough came along that potentially tripled the energy output of those turbines? You see where I'm going. We could in theory supply the TOTAL annual energy needs of the U.S. simply by exploiting 20 percent of our available wind resources.
 
Well, such a breakthrough has been made, and it's called the "wind lens." 
 

 
Imagine: no more dirty coal power, no more mining deaths, no more nuclear disasters, no more polluted aquifers as a result of fracking. Our entire society powered by the quiet "woosh" of a wind turbine. Kyushu University's wind lens turbine is one example of the many innovations happening right now that could in the near future make this utopian vision a reality.
 
Yes, it's a heck of a lot of wind turbines (about 2,640,000) but the U.S. with its endless miles of prairie and agricultural land is one of the few nations that could actually deploy such a network of wind turbines without disrupting the current productivity of the land (Russia and China also come to mind). It would also be a win-win for states in the highest wind area — the Midwest — which has been hard hit by the recession. And think of the millions upon millions of jobs that would be created building a 21st century energy distribution system free of the shackles of ever-diminishing fossil fuel supplies. 
 
It's also important to point out that growth in wind power capacity is perfectly symbiotic with projected growth in electric vehicles. EV battery packs can soak up wind power produced during the night, helping to equalize the curve of daytime energy demand. So the controversial investment currently being entertained by President Obama to pipe oil down from the Canadian Tar Sands would — in my utopian vision — be a moot point.
 
It is indeed a lofty vision, but the technology we need is now in our reach. And think of the benefits of having our power production fed by a resource that is both free and unlimited. One downside often cited by advocates of coal and gas power is that wind turbines require a lot more maintenence than a typical coal or gas power plant. But in a lagging economy this might just be wind power's biggest upside — it will create lots and lots of permanent jobs, sparking a new cycle of economic growth in America.
 
Editor's note: Want more info? Karl breaks down the math in his next post.

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JeffinIL Sep 04 2011 at 11:42 AM

The current energy companies will simply buy enough congressmen to keep this technology out.

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Bob Sep 04 2011 at 1:07 PM

Why wouldn't they want to make energy cheaper and increase their profits?

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spright Sep 04 2011 at 11:26 AM

i'm likin it.
it's almost an airfoil. how about doing the whole airfoil shape around the blades?
a venturi effect, maybe even better. then put a small one on homes.
no grid changes, just less tax on existing system.

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Jason Unwin Sep 04 2011 at 10:58 AM

Converting an area the size of Alaska (FYI our largest state) to wind power is insane. The logistics plus the Not In My Back Yard (NIMBY) crowd won't allow it. Besides, I wonder how many birds will get whacked by the blades? Will the construction harm other endangered animals like a certain mouse is doing here in Colorado? This is a hare brained idea.

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Bazoing Sep 04 2011 at 10:31 PM
The US has vast deserts and short grass prairie areas scattered very widely. Canada is mostly frozen bareness. Even in NY there are huge areas of almost worthless farmland where the glaciers scoured the soil away. The grid costs would be too great if we put all the wind generators in one huge cluster, so they would need to be scattered. However, the US, Canada, Mongolia, Africa, and much of the former USSR could really profit by wind energy and have vastly more land left untouched than used. This
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USN SS RET Sep 04 2011 at 11:19 AM

One of the problems in the US is that there are so many people that look at a new idea from it will never work position instead of working to under stand the pro's and con's then evaluate the idea.

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Guest Sep 05 2011 at 2:17 AM
One of the problems in the U.S. is people who are not engineers pretending like they have the solution to the world's energy needs. Newsflash: solar and wind require enormous surface areas to be covered to generate significant amounts of energy. They are also extremely unreliable, as they both depend on the weather. There is simply no feasible way to store energy with current technology on the scale required to use an entirely solar and wind powered grid. Also, even if you didn't take weather into
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consideration, the peak generating capacity of either system would need to be at least 3-4 times the peak usage rates, since both wind and solar power vary by day. Solar is also pretty well worthless in the winter in northern latitudes, with only a few hundred W/m^2 of energy density at the daily peak and that lasting for only a few hours per day. Current solar technology is only about 10% efficient, which means you'd need to cover about 10 sq. ft. of surface area just to power a 60 W light bulb, even at near-peak generation times (which only last a few hours per day.) Even in the summer, you only get a little over a kW/m^2 at peak times, meaning only about 100W/m^2 usable at the peak times of day (a m^2 is about 10 sq. ft.) And, again, this is not even taking the weather into account (no solar power on a cloudy day and no wind power when there's near-calm wind.)
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Bazoing Sep 04 2011 at 10:34 PM

What makes you think the people have anything to do with what happens in the US any more?

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Guest Sep 04 2011 at 3:42 PM

An even bigger problem is the enormous number of gullible idiots who believe everything they here and are incapable of rational analysis. And the idiotic idea that we should even consider a technology that hasn't even proven itself in the lab and use it to replace the ENTIRE national power supply.

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Guest Sep 05 2011 at 11:55 AM
It IS worthy of consideration, despite what you think. CONSIDERING something is not actually doing it, but looking at the pros and cons of doing it. If you watched the video, you would have seen the claims proven IN THE LAB. Building a large scale project like the Japanese are planning will help to prove the concept IN REAL LIFE. This technology has the POSSIBILITY of significantly reducing our fossil fuel use, If is does not work, then it has helped give us more information about what MIGHT work,
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eepcially on the scale of producing much of our power.
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mothman777 Sep 04 2011 at 10:58 AM
Very good idea, as long as the production methods of the turbines themselves are not so cheap just beause they are made in China, where the production of other 'cheap' wind turbines has made vast areas of China a nightmare toxic wasteland covered with toxic black sludge no longer fit to use for agriculture or anything else. I still prefer the solar mirrors as used very effectively in Spain, heating oil to 400 degrees, which is then used to heat water and produce steam to drive turbines and produce
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electricity (no scandal there as yet as far as I know). Still waiting to see if Andrea Rossi's cold fusion device is merely a scam or not; if it works, it will be a wonderful thing too, production is supposed to start this autumn.
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Mark Sivad Sep 04 2011 at 8:32 AM

Yes, the US has large praires, but who wants to see these eyesores on them??

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Guest Sep 04 2011 at 12:17 PM

You ever been to the prarie? How about been inside a nuclear power plant that's melted down (Japan)?

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Guest Sep 04 2011 at 10:41 AM

Would you prefer we continue burning billions of dollars worth of foreign oil or poisoning the sky with coal power-plants? Or, we could integrate clean, renewable, and economically viable solutions like this on top of already productive crop-land?

I don't know about you, but I would be excited to see systems like these on top of miles upon miles of corn/soy/wheat fields. I don't think that is an eyesore at all (unless you find those crop fields' views magical to begin with).

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Jonathon Kiner Sep 04 2011 at 9:00 AM

I would.

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Don't like the ... Sep 04 2011 at 8:31 AM

I don't like the Baldwin brothers. They are piggy looking and are goosestepping right wing goons.

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Matthew Brand Sep 04 2011 at 7:43 AM

How much metal and other material is required to make this many wind mills? How about maintaining them?

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Guest Sep 04 2011 at 3:44 PM

A lot. Not to mention the vast amount of land needed for installation and maintenance roads that would need to be developed - an area roughly the size of Texas, according to the article, and likely a lot more than that.

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abolnour_ashraf Sep 04 2011 at 7:24 AM

Its amazing to avoid a Global warming .

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Waterman Sep 04 2011 at 4:40 AM

Alec Baldwin is a slime ball.

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1badguy Sep 03 2011 at 11:29 PM

When figuring the efficiency that was quoted was the high maintenance factored in? If not this is a crazy article since we can make jobs by digging holes and filling them in! I suggest that the writer state the truth clearly.

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Jamie Sep 03 2011 at 8:06 PM

Alec Baldwin recently voiced his strong opinion against nuclear and likes the idea of solar:

http://enenews.com/alec-baldwin-big-lie-that-nuclear-is-clean-power-30-m...

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Jordan Sep 03 2011 at 10:07 PM

Wow -- Alec Baldwin. That is THE number one name that pops into my mind whenever I think of the concept "energy expert."

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Guest Sep 05 2011 at 2:28 AM
Yes, I honestly think it takes an "energy expert" (we like to call ourselves engineers) to understand the relative yeilds, costs, and environmental effects of nuclear versus wind power. Oh, and, as such and engineer, nuclear is far more efficient and has far fewer negative environmental effects. Now you know. I'm guessing you also take Al Gore's word on science and engineering, too, huh? The same guy who published a book on whose cover there is a hurricane spinning the wrong direction, one on top
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of the equator, and half of Florida has been airbrushed out (I guess he just really hates FL after 2000.)
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Rob Sep 04 2011 at 3:38 AM
Getting caught up in titles misses the point. Do you honestly think it takes an "energy expert" (whatever that may means) to understand that nuclear energy poses a far more threat than wind energy? Do you realize that the nuclear model used in nuclear power plants are based on nuclear submarine model? Meaning the physics are flawed in the design. Maybe Alec Baldwin is not a "energy expert" as you so aptly put it, but he reaches out to a larger audience than maybe someone who is not as well known.
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Bottom line Jordan stop acting like a teenager, unless of course you cant help it, but please do try to attempt to act mature.
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