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Japanese breakthrough will make wind power cheaper than nuclear
A surprising aerodynamic innovation in wind turbine design called the 'wind lens' could triple the output of a typical wind turbine, making it less costly than nuclear power.
Mon, Aug 29 2011 at 2:47 AM
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NOTE: Some major wind projects like the proposed TWE Carbon Valley project in Wyoming are already pricing in significantly lower than coal power -- $80 per MWh for wind versus $90 per MWh for coal -- and that is without government subsidies using today's wind turbine technology. 
 
The International Clean Energy Analysis (ICEA) gateway estimates that the U.S. possesses 2.2 million km2 of high wind potential (Class 3-7 winds) — about 850,000 square miles of land that could yield high levels of wind energy. This makes the U.S. something of a Saudi Arabia for wind energy, ranked third in the world for total wind energy potential.
 
Let's say we developed just 20 percent of those wind resources — 170,000 square miles (440,000 km2) or an area roughly 1/4 the size of Alaska — we could produce a whopping 8.7 billion megawatt hours of electricity each year (based on a theoretical conversion of six 1.5 MW turbines per km2 and an average output of 25 percent. (1.5 MW x 365 days x 24 hrs x 25% = 3,285 MWh's).
 
The United States uses about 26.6 billion MWh's, so at the above rate we could satisfy a full one-third of our total annual energy needs. (Of course, this assumes the concurrent deployment of a nationwide Smart Grid that could store and disburse the variable sources of wind power as needed using a variety of technologies — gas or coal peaking, utility scale storage via batteries or fly-wheels, etc).
 
Now what if a breakthrough came along that potentially tripled the energy output of those turbines? You see where I'm going. We could in theory supply the TOTAL annual energy needs of the U.S. simply by exploiting 20 percent of our available wind resources.
 
Well, such a breakthrough has been made, and it's called the "wind lens." 
 

 
Imagine: no more dirty coal power, no more mining deaths, no more nuclear disasters, no more polluted aquifers as a result of fracking. Our entire society powered by the quiet "woosh" of a wind turbine. Kyushu University's wind lens turbine is one example of the many innovations happening right now that could in the near future make this utopian vision a reality.
 
Yes, it's a heck of a lot of wind turbines (about 2,640,000) but the U.S. with its endless miles of prairie and agricultural land is one of the few nations that could actually deploy such a network of wind turbines without disrupting the current productivity of the land (Russia and China also come to mind). It would also be a win-win for states in the highest wind area — the Midwest — which has been hard hit by the recession. And think of the millions upon millions of jobs that would be created building a 21st century energy distribution system free of the shackles of ever-diminishing fossil fuel supplies. 
 
It's also important to point out that growth in wind power capacity is perfectly symbiotic with projected growth in electric vehicles. EV battery packs can soak up wind power produced during the night, helping to equalize the curve of daytime energy demand. So the controversial investment currently being entertained by President Obama to pipe oil down from the Canadian Tar Sands would — in my utopian vision — be a moot point.
 
It is indeed a lofty vision, but the technology we need is now in our reach. And think of the benefits of having our power production fed by a resource that is both free and unlimited. One downside often cited by advocates of coal and gas power is that wind turbines require a lot more maintenence than a typical coal or gas power plant. But in a lagging economy this might just be wind power's biggest upside — it will create lots and lots of permanent jobs, sparking a new cycle of economic growth in America.
 
Editor's note: Want more info? Karl breaks down the math in his next post.

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anonymous
Leon Sep 05 2011 at 11:32 PM

When you write "Let's say we developed...roughly 1/4 the size of Alaska" do you have any idea how crazy that sounds? Do you not realize those U.S. maps with Alaska and Hawaii in the corner are out of scale?

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Sammmm Sep 11 2011 at 10:00 AM

it is true, though, that they are trying to be misleading by saying it's '1/4th the size of alaska', when they could easily have just says 'an area the size of california', which more people would be able to visualize because it is a more well-known state and there are no fractions to muddy their understanding.

and because i'm sure people will say 'what kind of idiot can't understand simple fractions?': take a look at a map of alaska. now cut it into perfect 4ths. go ahead, take your time.

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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 9:13 PM

Do you mean to tell me that Alask is not a large island off the coast of Baja Mexico????

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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 4:50 PM

The problem with this design is that it does not allow farmers to grow crops under the footprint. Current turbine designs allow 95% of the land to be repurposed for things like agriculture.. If you fully develop THESE turbines, you are going to have a lot of hungry people.

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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 8:10 AM

the turbines would be spread out over many locations .on another point have you seen the gigantic size of the Yallourn open cut in Victoria,.one of the hidden expenses in coal extraction.imagine the power out put of wind turbines installed to that scale

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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 12:27 AM

Could be done probably for less than we put into Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Kevin Sep 05 2011 at 10:52 PM

Dang, I worked this up three years ago with schematics, filed them until I could rebuild my burnt down house. I just want to cry. Of course it is freaking cheaper

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ScottW Sep 05 2011 at 10:42 PM

How dependable is this power source when the wind doesn't blow? We still need base power from traditional sources for those -30 degree nights when stationary artic cold fronts settle in across North America.

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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 2:49 AM
Correct. Wind and other alternative energy sources may make good supplements, but their sporadic nature makes them unsuitable as complete replacements. The idiotic impulse to completely do away with conventional energy sources through replacement with unsuitable alternatives is probably the biggest reason alternatives have remained stalled for decades; it's just too easy to see the stupid. Had focus been put where it ought, on supplementing, we'd probably already have a sizable fraction of our electrical
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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 8:16 AM
The idiotic impulses to keep hanging to conventional energy sources.... no, that's too easy. What people keep on forgetting is that energy storage does exist already. Fairbanks, Alaska anyone? They have BESS, a huge building battery that reduces outages to big extent. Built in 2003, so technology is old already and with the current (r)evolutions in battery and other energy storage technology, the idea of storing energy ain't stupid at all. Plus, there's other modes of storage that are used now already (
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from storing as pressed air in geologic vaults to using it for producing hydrogen as a fuel). Next to that, why "focus on supplement"? Why keep conventional energy sources as the main? You can keep them as an emergency backup-generator, essentially supplementing the alternatives with the old technologies. But using the "we cannot store the energy" as an argument to not put complete focus on renewable energy sources, is lame. It's not true, and it shows a complete lack in belief in technology. Yes We Can ain't just a slogan...
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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 4:57 PM

Why don't most people realize the batteries are made from toxic chemicals. The hazard exists throughout the battery life cycle from mining the ore to disposing of the caustic electrolyte and spent materials at the end.
There is no free ride!

EXCEPT consume less!
Get rid of your giant screen HDTV energy hog with it's ridiculous 16:9 aspect ratio and return to 4:3, a whopping 25% power savings based on keeping the vertical height of the actor the same.

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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 4:54 PM

The technology for these solutions is available and straight-forward to implement... but it's still WAY more expensive to store energy than to produce it with coal.

I think wind and solar are great compliments to baseload power plants... But maybe we should focus some research dollars on reusing carbon from a coal power plant for something like lowering the cost to use as a food source for algae.

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Guest Sep 18 2011 at 9:17 PM
The subsidy to coal and oil has been huge and continues to this day. Does anyone beleive that the invasion of Iraq would have happened if Iraq had no oil? The cost of the Iraq war was between one and four trillion dollars. If that money had been spent on solar and wind energy, much of our electrical energy could be made in the US. The use of coal, oil and gas for generation could be used as a backup. Just because solar and wind electric plants are built does not mean that the current electric
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plants would be torn down. Instead they could be used for backup for another 100 years. People constantly say that wind and solar cannot supply ALL of our electric needs so why bother to construct them? The answer is really simply, every kw produced by solar and wind is a kw that does not have to be produced by burning gas, oil and coal. A great deal of oil is used to produce electric energy and about 60% of oil is imported. That means a great deal of money leaves this country. Every kw produced by wind and solar puts money back into the US economy instead of enriching foriegn countries. US demand for oil supports the price of oil and gives money to foriegn countries like Iran that wish us harm. A decrease of 5% of US demand for oil would decrease the price of oil by about 50%. This happened in 2008 when the price of oil fell from about $140/barrel to about $50/barrel because of decrease in US demand of 5%. Increase solar and wind electric energy is a nation defense issue and should be viewed from this position.
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bradshaw Sep 06 2011 at 11:21 AM
re: BESS   You got me curious and I looked it up.  I think it's a great thing they've built there. It only provides power for 15 minutes or so until diesel generators can start up and take the load, but maybe that's enough for most places.  It was built for a very specific purpose but maybe it's a model that could be used elsewhere?  What do the engineers on here think?      Personally, I'm warming up to the notion of pumping water into into a reservoir during off-peak ours that could provide
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hydro electric power during the peak periods.   It's a model that's also been proven.    
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Peter Sinclair Sep 05 2011 at 9:25 PM

important to recognize that - wind IS cheaper than nuclear NOW.

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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 2:43 AM

Not when you take purchasing an area the size of Texas into account. Not to mention production and maintenance costs on 2 million+ windmills.

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Guest Sep 07 2011 at 11:39 AM

Yes, wind is still cheaper. Nuclear provides only 8.5% of energy in the U.S. That could easily be replaced with wind turbines. It costs billions to build a nuclear power plant, billions to decommission one, and billions to store nuclear waste.

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Guest Sep 06 2011 at 8:22 AM

I guess there is no operating expenses in a coal powered generator ,The coal comes out of the ground by itself and the thing keeps rotating perpetually and the emissions, just pump them into the air for some one else to worry about.yea very little cost ,sounds just like wind generation.

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art Sep 05 2011 at 9:08 PM

one can only hope it works.. but why wait to next year.. do it now

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Tree Thunderchild Sep 05 2011 at 8:05 PM
I've been making my own power for 39 years. In the process I've gotten rid of my large turbines and replaced them with smaller ones. I have taken apart brand new wind turbines, reassembled them differently and I get 4 times the power I was getting from them new out of the box. Those commenting here who are bashing this site and the topic appear just to be looking for attention, so I wont play into it, or as many who have experience on social sites would simply say, "dont feed the trolls". I dont
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like centralized power, it does the same thing economically by taking the money from the hands of the many and concentrating it into the hands of the few. As more "people" start learning how to make their own power from the wind, more innovations and improvements will happen. I've saved around $148,000 making my own power from wind and sun. That money did not go to the hands of a few, I spent it locally on locally made, grown or provided goods (aka JOBS!) There is so much more to know about using wind to make power, and the way to learn these things is to do them ourselves. If you use electricity, then you should also know how to make your own. I dont live in a good wind area I live in a poor wind area, and am now building more turbines to power an electric car ($400 a month gas spent on $800 a month wages, to make the oil companies rich? No thanks!). Maintenance so far comes to $10.00 every 10 years per turbine, for new bearings. I've only been using 2 of them (4 foot diameter blades) and have enough in materials pulled out of dumpsters to build around 100 more (for free). People claiming wind doesnt work, sorry, I've been doing it almost 40 years, thanks for telling me 'now' and for sharing that with others who likely have never even tried it (no doubt those making that claim being also in that group).
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Enter your name Sep 05 2011 at 3:58 PM

Children in Japan have to wear radiation detectors to school because of the nuclear plant meltdowns! They were fed beef with radiation in it. They are detecting radiation in Japanese children's urine. It's so sad. www.enenews.com

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Read Sep 05 2011 at 7:03 PM

"Fukushima children test positive for internal radiation exposure"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/30/fukushima-children-radiation...

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Guest Sep 05 2011 at 7:33 PM

And...what? Children have been warned not to eat apples they collect on Halloween for years, despite there never, ever having been a case of apples or other fruit being tampered with. And it is common to see Japanese people wearing painter masks in public places, believing they protects against disease (they don't). Other examples of foolish public overreaction to imaginary dangers abound, from fear of witches to Alar-induced panic.

I'd prefer not to let hysteria rule my life.

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Guest2you Sep 08 2011 at 2:13 PM
What a SICK waste of human potential - your argument is so lame as to be pathetic. No worries about the children - Tokyo govt. said this was equal to 168 Hiroshimas... yet you, sick human... spout nonsense. Go help Japanese kids out - how about playing with them in their schoolyard of radioactive dirt, eat radioactive mushrooms, etc. NO MORE POISON NUKES - ever. When average people stop picking up the costs and forces industry - not people to pay... then things will change. ----------------------- •
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Until the Nuclear Industry is ready to accept all responsibility and liability for any incident, then why should a Nuclear Power Co. be allowed to operate? • "Nuclear energy is a pact with the Devil." --physicist John R. Dunning, Jr.
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The Truth Sep 05 2011 at 9:08 PM

You are comparing apples to internal radiation in the Japanese children from nuclear plant meltdowns? That is so insensitive.

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