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Cars that run on air and water
Unfortunately — though everybody loves the idea — there's no energy-free lunch. Don't expect to find a pot of environmental gold down this road.
Mon, Mar 28 2011 at 1:43 PM
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NOTHING BUT AIR: MDI's car is always just around the corner. (Photo courtesy of MDI graphic)

 
Oh, no, what can I do now? My career reporting on high gas prices and the race to build fuel-efficient cars is over!
 
What’s left to report on now that a colleague has emailed me a story about a Japanese company, Genepax, that has invented a “car that runs on nothing but water.” The next thing you know, they’ll invent one that runs on air. Oh, they did that, too? I guess a new era of conflict-free, ultra-green motoring is upon us.
 
Not.
 
What is it that leads not only bloggers but respectable TV networks to write so uncritically about stuff like this? Let me make it clear here: There’s no energy-free lunch. You can’t get cars to run on air without expending tons of energy to compress that air. And the range of a car on compressed air is 10 to 15 miles at best.
 
Genepax has shown a conventional fuel-cell car that runs on hydrogen, and it won’t head down the road on water unless it carries an expensive, heavy electrolyzer on board the car. It says that it will run for an hour on just a liter of water! Great, but what did it cost to extract hydrogen from that water, and how much does the electrolyzer cost?
 
"This sounds like one of those 'violates the second law of thermodynamics' deals we saw weekly at General Motors," says Byron McCormick, who headed fuel-cell development at the automaker. "There is no source of energy available to a moving car to replace the energy needed to break water."
 
Larry Moulthroup of Proton Energy Systems in Connecticut, which lent me my fuel-cell Toyota Highlander, offers some thoughts on how the water car might work. "The speculator in me imagines that perhaps within the trunk-mounted white box there is a reaction, perhaps aluminum oxidation, that is producing hydrogen at or near atmospheric pressure, which in turn is being purified and then is is being used in possibly a hydrogen-air fuel cell to generate the electricity for the drive motor," he said. "Maybe, but I just don’t know."
 
Automakers investigated a version of the Genepax solution when Daimler proposed that cars carry big tanks of methanol, then use an on-board reformer to extract hydrogen on the fly. It wasn’t economical, and confident reports that the automaker would have hundreds of thousands of those cars on the road by 2006 fell by the wayside. Maybe we’ll see commercial fuel-cell cars by 2015, but they’ll carry compressed hydrogen gas, not reformers or electrolyzers.
 
Note that although the post on cars that run on water is from this month, the gullible Reuters video is from 2008. Not much has been heard from Genepax since, though there was a brief vogue in homemade water bottle-based electrolyzers you could add to your car and instantly achieve a zillion mpg:
 
 
Here’s another naïve water-based power video, this time from Fox in 2006. Again, an automaker was supposedly negotiating with this backyard inventor, but nothing came of it:
 
 
And don’t get me started on air cars, which in the form of the perennially coming technology from French company MDI have gotten huge amounts of free publicity despite many years of failing to deliver on production plans. Here’s Popular Mechanics saying they are coming to our shores in 2009 or 2010, with maybe 1,000 miles of range. And for just $18,000! The last we heard, Indian automaker Tata was interested.
 
Electric battery cars have range problems, and they’re expensive — but they actually work. We can buy them now in the form of cars like the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Volt. They’re not vaporware. Trust me on the cars that run on air or water. You might as well harness a unicorn to your chariot and run with that.
 
For a little fun, watch this video for some step-by-step instruction on how you, too, can harness limitless power from an innocent bottle of water.

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'Bryan SmithAvi... Feb 03 2013 at 11:40 AM
The simple H2O+12v=H, was funny to most people, then realizing other growing numbers of simple examples. Water charged by a normal auto battery with small metal plates makes bubbles of Hydrogen, all day, free, and the motor runs smoother too. I know many schools taught basically "H2O = HH + O, or, water = 99% air + hydrogen". Lead, for example, is opposite, very heavy, meaning, more compact, very few air molecules. In the 80's, an inventor guy "died of unnatural causes" in
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my area supposedly, resulting from not selling his after market product to oil companies, many saw as obvious. At that exact same time around 30 years ago, many public schools used the examples of "Hydrogen natural air gas made at home", right on the desk tops. Used for the science class experiments, with a standard lab room type "bunsen burner". Now on "YouTube H2O for gas related videos", with hundreds if not thousands of related videos, of real professional people, making natural gas with Hydrogen generators. Simple, yet the right thing to do in very cold areas. Millions use this for years as do farmers in rural areas needing more supply of reliable fuels. The "Cornish Generator" is the correct name yet not many seem to recall, or even ask, knowing our great grand grandparents used this, before oil and gas were over popularized and regularly used items like the "Cornish Generator" were put more out of sight. Now Tractor trailers more commonly use H2O for HHO generators on board as natural gas is a more profitable way of business practice. Same as others keep warm everyday as seen across the globe too. We have various simple needs to know on facebook, at "Bryan SmithAvionics", and many generations time tested information of simple farm land ways of sharing needs to know for families future. Especially since so many practices now, are made as popular belief systems, for targeting women, for less quality of women, resulting in less family quality future, many negative reactions , ethics lowered, many related reactions, endless spending, and much more, as may consumer minded places or consumer advocates have revealed in recent years. Simply said may times before, "generations simple farmer basics are always good references" to get back to safer practices for rebuilding most things in life. Thanks for reading Bryan (at facebook "Bryan SmithAvionics").
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Smith May 25 2011 at 7:48 AM
I heard this kind of news many times, I have seen every people can only speak about this kind of news for some period of time when it disclosed on any news channel and after some time every one can forget it. I heard that one person was created one chemical which work like petrol for vehicle; he was start the car and also drive the car by using that chemical. After that time no one knows about that scientist and which company was brought that formula. All this things are happened only because of
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politics. Every big company want total control over market and it never like someone damages their business.Cheap cars
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Will from Detroit May 14 2011 at 3:13 AM
Over the years there have been many with great ideas. But we dont pay attention! When they disappear know one says anything, or questions what happens!!!!! There was a man here in Michigan that made fuel from 80% water and 20% naptha. First time in the newspaper, he had an invention, second time in the newspaper, he was bought out by big business, THE END!!! We need to pay attention and push for things like this and stop letting big business control things that sound to right. If this invention
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did not work, do you think big business would have bought him out. Think about it!!!!!!!
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pual May 10 2011 at 5:07 PM

all i whant is a car

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rbenny May 10 2011 at 11:09 AM

A car running on water? Worst idea ever. In case you haven't heard, water is our most precious resource. While oil has many uses it does not sustain life. We cannot live without water and fresh water is far from a never ending resource as the over built communities in the south US and elsewhere are finding out. I guess you could use sea water but I don't think the moving parts of an engine or similar device would last very long due to the corrosive nature of salt water.

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John Mar 31 2011 at 12:01 PM
Yes, it is true it would cost money and energy to compress air. We are merely shifting the pollution from petroleum to coal plants. BUT, think about how much energy is spent on the oil wells, the refineries, shipping barrels of oil and gas all over the world. Someone has to get the oil out of the ground, ship it somewhere to get refined, then to gas stations. That is inefficient. I'd rather spend the 3$ on energy to fill my tank with compressed air. Also, wind energy is becoming more and more
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Boing3000 Apr 04 2011 at 7:51 AM
...you are right, air is the easiest way to transport energy, because it requires ZERO industry to be able to get it. It is free, and that's why no industry will ever switch to using it (apart for running specific high price tools) Battery is a much weaker energy storage, because efficiency is also terribly low, and their *power per weight* is as weak as air. And there are just as poisonous (much greater in fact) that an oil tank. (they are cousin industry (same ownership) so you heard about those "
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miraculous" batteries that you must dream about, and buy of course) And yes alcohol and more generally carbon/hydrogen build by plant(not fossil) on sun power are the ultimate solution. But the bio-tech to liquify 99% of a plant is not yet achieved. That's third generation bio-fuel, this would be patented, so corporations will definitely provide them. Just wait the we have extract the fossil fuel, there is still plenty off sleeping money burred into this dinosaur bio-tech
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me Mar 30 2011 at 2:49 PM
Enough of this nonsense. With alcohol fuel, you can become energy independent, reverse global warming, and survive Peak Oil in style. Alcohol fuel is "liquid sunshine" and can't be controlled by transnational corporations. You can produce alcohol for less than $1 a gallon, using a wide variety of plants and waste products, from algae to stale donuts. It's a much better fuel than gasoline, and you can use it in your car, right now. You can even use alcohol to generate electricity. Alcohol fuel production
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is ecologically sustainable, revitalizes farms and communities, and creates huge new opportunities for small-scale businesses. Its byproducts are clean and valuable. Alcohol has a proud history and a vital future:http://www.permaculture.com/
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Boing3000 Mar 30 2011 at 8:10 AM
Maybe this site should verify that their “writers” have at least some scientific knowledge before posting such disinformation. For example MDI sell their cars since last year, it is 100KM autonomy, not 10 miles (very conservative), and the price is below 9999$. Maybe Jim should learn that energy is not measured in “TONS” (compressing air, or splitting plutonium nuclei). Because of “hit job” like this, probably nobody will get involved in these (many) new technologies, “new” meaning
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century old, very much like the “internal” combustion engine. Grand dad hanging to its dreams, pathetic… For those interested in facts, compressed air has a poor ratio energy per volume. That’s the only weakness. The rest is the simplest (so robust) light (so efficient) and clean (unless you crave for crap) way of producing work (transforming energy into movement). That’s why any construction site uses “tons” of tools powered by compressed air, they are everywhere, but apparently not on the road (www.mdi.lu)
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zliuyan Mar 30 2011 at 1:26 AM

ultimately deem this as the right programming decision for our network.such astag heuer calibre 36 and hublot bigbang

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Morgana Mar 29 2011 at 12:43 AM
your "nothing ever came of it" comment, but a quick google search revealed this inventor worked as late as 2009 with Ford, made progress in efficiency, then the project dropped off the map. This has happened over and over with these guys and this tech. Do you think this is the first time. I think you're wrong. I think so much is possible, and I think acting like there is no gold leads you to... no gold. Get positive and the world will follow you. You're a member of the media and you have a responsibility.
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