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Jim Motavalli

Nuclear cars: They're not science fiction anymore

In the nuke-crazed 1950s, Ford wanted to put mini reactors in cars. That didn't fly, but now we're hearing of radioactive thorium lasers that could power a car 300,000 miles without recharging. But what if two of them have an accident?

Thu, Sep 01 2011 at 4:00 PM EST
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COOL CADDY: GM's World Thorium Fuel Concept moves if you push it. (General Motors photo)
 
Are you ready for a laser-powered nuclear car? No, it’s not science fiction, but a modern concept that GE’s “Txchnologist” blog calls a “thoroughly plausible idea.” Actually, writer Steven Ashley (who also blogs for Scientific American) qualifies that further down by saying it has “a kernel of plausibility.” General Motors apparently thinks so, too, because it showed off a similar Cadillac-based prototype in 2009.
 
The idea of nuke cars is not actually new: Circa 1957, Ford built a 3/8th-sized scale model of an exotic looking vehicle (huge fins) called the Nucleon (at right) that was supposed to go 5,000 miles on a radioactive “charge.” Uranium fission heated a steam generator, and the steam drove turbines -- a nuclear power plant on wheels. The reactor was in the trunk, so storage space wasn’t too great. What would have happened if two of these buggies had collided? The accident scene would need to be quarantined for 10,000 years.
 
According to Ford, “The model featured a power capsule suspended between twin booms at the rear. The capsule, which would contain a radioactive core for motive power, would be easily interchangeable at the driver’s option, according to performance needs and the distance to be traveled.”
 
It’s not surprising that the Nucleon never made it to a full-sized prototype, but such was the nuclear optimism of the “too cheap to meter” 1950s. The new car is completely different, but after Fukushima it’s still going to make a lot of people nervous.
 
The invention of Charles Stevens of the Massachusetts-based R&D company Laser Power Systems, the system is far short of the Nucleon’s full-fledged nuclear reactor. The key is thorium, which is radioactive but not on the same scale as uranium (though it can sub for it in reactors). In the proposed car, “an accelerator-driven thorium-based laser” is used not to send a beam of energy but to generate concentrated heat.
 
Stevens says his thorium car would be “emissions free” and never need recharging. A gram of thorium has the same energy content as 7,500 gallons of gas, and eight grams could power a car for 300,000 miles. I’m still wondering what happens when two of these cars come together.
 
Cadillac’s car has styling right out of Star Trek and is called the World Thorium Fuel Concept. It doesn’t have any actual onboard thorium, but it theoretically could.
 
Stevens doesn’t have a working model, either, because according to Txchnologist it’s having some difficulties integrating the laser with the turbine and generator. And, my guess, he’d also have just a few minor challenges GETTING THE CAR LICENSED. Sorry for the screaming there.
 
It would be great if you could create a nuclear car safely, but there are a million reasons it will never work. Look at that crazy 8.8-megawatt Russian reactor on wheels at left -- I'd be calmer driving a nitroglycerin truck through a minefield. But hope springs eternal. According to ABC News in 2010, scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory “have created a long-sought molecule known as uranium nitride” that is designed to remove hydrogen atoms from carbon atoms and “extract more energy from fossil fuels, making cars more fuel-efficient, and could also lead to cheaper drugs.” A few glitches there, too -- uranium nitride has to become a catalyst, and that’s not scientifically possible now.
 
Finally, I hear that scientists at the DOE’s Idaho National Laboratory announced last week that they'd put together a suitcase-sized 40-kilowatt nuke that “could power up to eight normal-sized homes,” and also generate electricity for manned missions to Mars. According to MSNBC, “The team plans to build a physical demonstration unit for the plant and test out its capabilities next year.”
 
Forgive me for playing the devil’s advocate here, but aren’t suitcase nukes a huge terrorist threat? Just asking. By the way, I have a hazy memory of visiting that same Idaho National Lab some years ago and seeing the huge carcass of what was described as an experimental nuclear car from the 1950s. Maybe I dreamed that.
 
Actually, you can build your own nuclear car, just by watching this video. Don't worry, there aren't any national security issues -- it's a video game:
 
 

 

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Buzz Lightyear 02/22/2012 16:27 PM

"Forgive me for playing the devil’s advocate here, but aren’t suitcase nukes a huge terrorist threat? Just asking. "

That the author can't make a distinction between a suitcase-sized bomb and a suitcase-sized reactor makes me wonder whether he is qualified to write the rest of the article.

Boy, do I feel good now.

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Paul McElroy 11/23/2011 04:54 AM

You make it sound like making a nuclear explosion is so simple. Creating a small laser based thorium power source would not make the car a roving death machine. If two of them collided, the only damage done would be to your insurance premiums for damaging that cylon styled hot-rod. You'd actually have to puncture the containment of the thorium to do any damage, and even then, I'm sure they wouldn't commercialize it if they thought they'd get a bad PR rip for making it at all possible to.... More

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ramir 09/07/2011 05:45 AM

nice..

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Inquisitive Mind 09/06/2011 18:04 PM

What a bad article. If you follow the link to the Los Alamos story it says the uranium nitride would be used to break carbon hydrogen bonds that would be used to process gasoline and pharma, not to run a nuclear car. And the suitcase-sized nuclear reactor was for use in space. The link doesn't say it could even be used in a car. These are pretty significant factual errors for a professional writer, so how can I believe anything in the story when the few facts I checked were dead wrong. This is.... More

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daBoss 09/07/2011 15:42 PM

Inquisitive Mind, don't be such a doof. Why in the world would you expect an article entitled "Nuclear cars: They're not Science Fiction Anymore" to be about advances in nuclear cars? Of course the article would be about the potential use of an advanced nuclear catalysts in the fractioning of high-molecular weight hydrocarbons. That's what I was looking for when I tuned in.

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Jim Motavalli 09/07/2011 10:00 AM

Pardon me, but the article never says that Los Alamos scientists have built a nuclear car. It says that "scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory 'have created a long-sought molecule known as uranium nitride” that is designed to remove hydrogen atoms from carbon atoms and “extract more energy from fossil fuels, making cars more fuel-efficient, and could also lead to cheaper drugs.' A few glitches there, too -- uranium nitride has to become a catalyst, and that’s not scientifically.... More

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Anonymous 09/07/2011 15:02 PM

I think also the article is lame. You started out writing an article about "nuclear cars" and ended with some crap about nuclear catalysts and nuclear power plants for use in space. Where's your focus? Other than some idiotic comments about what would happen if they crashed together, there's no point to the article, except maybe to report old news. The question is, do you always use year-old secondary sources (from ABC no less, (maybe next time you can use Fox News) in your articles. What, were.... More

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Alex 09/05/2011 04:49 AM

The concept of a car is becoming ever redundant, the reason public transport is so bad because car companies impose this upon people.

Why would we spend out lives continuing to mine the earth for resources, when we can harness gravitational energy, geothermal energy and sun radiation.

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Elwood 09/04/2011 00:25 AM

And they thought it was hard trying to convince the public that a hydrogen powered car is safe to drive... Toyota makes some of the highest quality cars in the world and they screwed up something as basic as a gas pedal. Can you imagine a Chrysler built reactor?

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Dan 09/03/2011 20:45 PM

Every car accident with a nuclear-powered car would qualify as a Super-Fund-Cleanup-Site.

Latest news on Japan and U.S. nuclear problems:

www.enenews.com

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mike 09/02/2011 02:06 AM

can the thorium laser be used to zap certain drivers from the road.

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Richard H 09/01/2011 19:14 PM

A thorium laser heat source for a steam driven car? I don't think so.

A thorium laser heat source to replace coal in new and existing power plants, with zero emmissions? Then run the cars on electric? Yeah, that I can see, and hope for too.

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nadeem 09/01/2011 18:02 PM

its not a suitcase nuke. its a nuclear reactor that is the size of a suitcase, it was developed in partnership with nasa who says its completely safe.

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