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Runaway Toyotas? Investigation of sudden acceleration eerily recalls deadly Ford transmission issue 25 years ago
ABC-TV covers an 'owner rebellion' among consumers who think their Toyotas are unsafe. The Center for Auto Safety sees parallels to the Fords that popped out of park 25 years ago. In both cases, automakers avoided expensive recalls.
Tue, Nov 03 2009 at 4:08 PM
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The aftermath of a sudden acceleration accident. Credit: (ABC-TV)

 
In 1984, the Center for Auto Safety reported that there had been more than 3,500 accidents involving Ford vehicles with automatic transmissions that allegedly popped out of park and into reverse. And it charged that its nemesis, the federal National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), “has concealed the alarming increase in deaths … by manipulating fatality statistics and by refusing to investigate — and thus count — dozens of reported deaths.”
 
Ralph Nader charged later the same year that White House interference had played a role in the more than 70 reported deaths up to that point. But in July of 1985 NHTSA rejected a bid to reopen the case involving 23 million 1966 to 1979 cars, instead settling for a warning sticker advising people to make sure their cars were firmly in park. That decision saved Ford many millions.
 
History repeats, some people would say. On World News with Charles Gibson and Nightline tonight, ABC-TV will run the result of an investigation into reports that Toyota vehicles of all types and sizes experience “runaway acceleration,” reaching speeds of up to 90 miles an hour. The network cites some 2,000 cases, many involving fatalities.
 
Toyota says the explanation is unsecured or improper floor mats, but hundreds of consumers (an “owners’ rebellion,” says ABC) are not buying that. They think the problem lies in the cars’ computers or electronic software. For its part, NHTSA, having investigated reports for six years, agrees with Toyota — it is unable to find anything wrong with the cars beyond loose mats.
 
 
Then and now, Clarence Ditlow was the executive director of Washington’s Center for Auto Safety. Reached by telephone today, he sees a parallel between the Ford and Toyota cases. "Both Toyota’s and Ford’s reaction is to blame the issue on driver error. In the '80s, they said the driver didn’t put the car fully in park — they left it in neutral or what have you. In Toyota’s case, it’s the floor mat’s fault. The manufacturers want to avoid a costly engineering recall. For Toyota, any recall that goes beyond the floor mat will be very expensive.”
 
Ditlow points to a Michigan lawsuit against Toyota resulting from a 2008 accident in a 2005 Camry that killed Guadalupe Alberto. The car, the suit says, “accelerated from an intended speed of less than 25 mph to a speed of approximately 80 mph, despite Guadalupe Alberto’s having vigorously and desperately applied her brakes …” The car hit a tree, and Alberto died. And, according to the lawsuit, that car did not have floor mats at the time of the crash.
 
“NHTSA did not investigate that crash,” Ditlow said. The agency’s most recent denial of a petition about sudden acceleration did not follow a request to Toyota posing questions, which Ditlow says is very unusual in a major defect petition.
 
But NHTSA’s investigation was by no means cursory. The report is nearly 20 pages long, and attempts to duplicate problems possibly arising from the engine control unit, or even from the magnetic fields that some have alleged pose a danger to hybrid car owners.
 
Given major network exposure, it’s likely that the sudden acceleration issue will remain alive for quite some time. And the answers provided by NHTSA and Toyota will definitely not please everyone. Toyota’s Brian Lyons told me the company is working on a response to the ABC story. “Our position is unchanged,” he said. “NHTSA has investigated six times, and come up with similar findings. The defect trend shows unsecured or incompatible floor mats are the issue.”
 
Given more space, I'd have gone into the case of the exploding Ford Pinto, also a Ford issue decades ago. But just mentioning it I'm sure stirs memories.

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Alma Feb 24 2010 at 11:49 PM
My 81 year old father bought a 2008 Ford F-150. Two times he has experienced sudden accelerations. The first itme was on 1/14/10 when he was slowing down to gt into a turn lane to turn around-he let off the accelerator and applied the break and the truck lurched forward and accelerated. Dad stopmed the break pedal and turned off the ignition. He has his little doggy in the truck that time. The next time it happened was 2/22/10. The same thing happened when he pulled into Braums. This time
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he had his doggy, granddaughter and great granddaughter in the truck. Fortunatly both times no one was hurt. The first time it happened dad took the truck to the dealership (Sam Pack's 5 star Ford) they kept it overnight and told him that he might have stepped on the accelerator and break at the same time. He is going to take it back again and tell them that they better fix it. I am very fearful for my father's safety. It burns me up that the dealership just blew him off. The next time he took it in the dealership put a "black box sensor" on it and told him that if it happens again to grab the button (it is sitting in the cup holder) press it twice to make it start recording and then turn off the ignition. HELLO can we say some one is going to be injured or killed by the time this takes place???
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kim harmes Apr 29 2010 at 8:24 AM
the same thing just happened to me.. i was driving at about 25 when the engine started racing. i put on the brakes, the tires were squeling, and the truck was lurching but not slowing down. i was going about 60,. finally i shut the ignition off..i came to a stop about 20 feet from an intersection, where the light was red in my direction. i had gone about 2 miles trying to stop the truck. Thank God the traffic was light.The ford dealer called me last night, and said, they can't find anything wrong...
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i don't know if i will ever feel safe in that truck agian..
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Kim Jan 27 2010 at 6:56 AM
Why am I not surprised. Toyota make appliances with wheels. They don't actually care about cars. There is a large market of people who would buy a turd if Toyota put a Camry badge on it. A car company that doesn't care about cars doesn't attract good engineers, and that company will fall inevitably fall behind in design, as Toyota has. It's unsurprising that Toyotas have an increasing number of design flaws. Combine the design flaws with Toyota's size, and their belief that they are unassailable,
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and you have the makings of one arrogant company. One thing about safety; I'm an engineer and work on safety critical systems. Anyone who blames 'user error' in a safety scenario is an idiot and unfit for employment. People make mistakes; we can't change that. What we can do is make the system forgiving of mistakes. A system that doesn't fail-safe in the event of a floormat depressing the accelerator isn't properly designed from a safety perspective, no matter how the floormat got there.
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skp Dec 04 2009 at 11:39 PM
sudden acceleration w/my 2008 prius occurred for me several months ago, well before the tragic accident in san diego. my car went from about 35 to 65-75 on its own...i kept braking..hard..started to slow, took foot off brake and again speeded up. by the time i managed to successfully stop the brakes had burning smell. i was in el centro on hwy 86, not nearly as busy as the san diego freeways. i took the car to my dealer where i bought the car in pacific beach to inspect and the service scheduler
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pretty much told me i didn't know what i was talking about, very condenscending. the technicians were not able to find anything, however, they are not trained for such a complicated problem. i felt it was something electrical being that the prius' engine makeup is still realitively new. such a problem needs examination by the engineers, not oil changers and battery checkers. floormats are a scapegoat. mine far away from petal. coverup by toyota. thankfully my prius doesn't have the power of the lexus. i feel the cruise control should be throughly examined. i am ever aware this could occur again.
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jmleathe Nov 11 2009 at 12:41 AM

Really? We're going to try and cool Fords profits by bringing up problems from 30 years ago to try and JUSTIFY a blatant error and greed on the part of Toyota.

That's rich!

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fyi Nov 08 2009 at 9:14 PM
First and foremost, it’s tragically obvious there has not been nearly enough thought to all the necessary fail-safe and safety override modes designed into these “drive-by-wire” automotive systems. The Germans at least had the good sense to make their engines go to idle mode if their systems were presented with the conflicting inputs of throttle and brakes applied at the same time ("smart pedal"). (The Toyota system does not do this. Shame on Toyota — as well as the NHTSA who apparently “
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approved” of this!) As far as “keyless” ignition system designs go, an across-the-board “standard” is needed immediately. The dashboard “switch” should probably have at least three positions: “Off” (as in -- turn the engine ignition AND electric fuel pump systems both off -- right now); “Idle” (to bring engine power down - but not fully off - to allow for the power steering and brakes to continue to function); and “On or Run.” To have to “hold” the start-button in for ” three seconds” during an emergency situation is beyond any safety design rules I believe could or would ever be allowed for production and placed into widespread use by the driving public…… GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER — NHTSA — NOW !!!!!
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Joe Nov 05 2009 at 10:47 AM

I have had the same acceleration happen on my 2008 Ford F150.They tell me it's the floor mat or when I am braking I must be hitting the gas.I know this is not the case and I have had witnesses.

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Guest Feb 16 2010 at 12:42 AM
i have had this problem happen to me 3 times where this vehicle just accelerated at high speed tac was buried 2 times took it tpo dealer they couldn't find any recalls and blew me off . third time well lets just say i'm lucky myself or nobody else wasn't killed as i took a hell of a ride and when i finally came to a stop against two trees this engine was still racing as fast as it could go, pretty scary. been doing some research and have traced this problem to the same as toyota the electronic throttle
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control, which all of these car companies including ford uses these same throttle/sensors made by a company ETC. anybody else having this erratic problem but serious safety issue to ford f-150 please contact me at teri1@wildblue.net as i'm trying to collect all of the information i can since i have been through this. and now have a completaly totaled truck and not getting alot of help from ford motor company on this serious situation.
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2010F150 Jan 29 2010 at 7:58 AM

I have a new 2010 F-150 and I thought it was just me hitting the cruise control wrong... It has accelerated quite a few times without intending to.... scary....

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Jim Motavalli Nov 05 2009 at 11:02 AM

I'd love to have further details of your experience. Contact me at jmotavalli@gmail.com. If any other readers have experienced sudden acceleration, please contact me there, too.

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Mike Nov 04 2009 at 2:39 PM
Toyota knows that it has a problem and cares more about its profits than the drivers who drive them. Toyota has its own way at home and it looks like their stonewalling will prevail here in the United States. The automaker has been treated with kid gloves. These are records that they are once again attempting to sweep under the rug. In the United States we have not tolerated cost prevailing over life. Why suddenly are we treating this situation differently. Start the recall before one more
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Guest Nov 04 2009 at 7:01 AM

What will be Toyota's response in the next year when all floor mats have been removed and more deaths from run away are still occurring? "Oppps." I think expensive recalls would be preferred compared to the law suits that will come.

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