The best tool for fixing city traffic problems? A wrecking ball
For 50 years, the 'common-sense' solution for traffic woes has been to build more and wider roads. For 50 years it has failed. It's time for a golden age of urban highway demolition.
TRAFFIC UNJAMMED: On San Francisco's waterfront, the Embarcadero is a thriving public space once occupied by an elevated freeway. (Photo: greychr/Flickr) Metro areas that invested heavily in road capacity expansion fared no better in easing congestion than metro areas that did not. Trends in congestion show that areas that exhibited greater growth in lane capacity spent roughly $22 billion more on road construction than those that didn’t, yet ended up with slightly higher congestion costs per person, wasted fuel, and travel delay.
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listen to the comments about proven examples of traffic removal that works! all you environment hating , gun toting, global warming denying, creationism believing dickwads would prefer to pave it all! these people have credentials to back up their claims. you might have to leave a little earlier in the morning to get to your forklift driving warehouse job. Unbelievable.
Speaking of unbelievable: I'm impressed you managed to group so many groups of people you despise into one rant - especially given that they have nothing to do with the article at hand.
Or someone could just mimic Europe where the freeways don't go into the city centers, but around the city. This tends to make highways used as they should be; to get from city to city and NOT how we use them in America; to build roads the city doesn't have to pay for.
The highways that were demolished in all of the cases here were intra-city roads. Demolish an interregional road, and this theory would not hold. The traffic from that highway would disperse throughout the city, or more likely, find another interregional route which would just get hammered. Case in point - you knock down the embarcadero fwy, and things improve. You knock down I-80 from Oakland to SF (aka the bay bridge) and things get hairy.
You mention that the roads demolished were all intracity, and the European model is to only have motorways (highways, sorry) outside cities. Glasgow has motorways cutting straight through its city centre and the congestion is getting worse - so they're building more, year on year, and making the traffic worse, year on year.
Meanwhile, the M6 and M25 in England are proof again that building more lanes / new roads only ups the amount of traffic trying to use the roads and getting snarled.... More
I can agree as long as they put effort into expanding various useful public transportation. In fact in allot of cities they should just ban private vehicle traffic all together in large portions. It would also help if the expansion projects were not already twenty years too late and already in need of the subsequent phase.
In the not too distant future... cars will be mass transit. They will be automatically controlled to prevent accidents and be allowed to travel at 100mph essentially bumper to bumper. The newer smart cars that warn of impending accidents, or park themselves, are but a glimpse of what technology has in store. To reach this goal of auto-mass transit will require a lot of standardization. Hopefully the car companies will work together to make it possible.
Move somewhere that there aren't any! (That's the majority of the THIRD WORLD)
Depriving access to an area to reduce congestion is a form of parochial oligopoly. It makes about as much sense as reducing blood flow as a treatment for congestive heart failure.
I suspect that the radical luddite tree-huggers won't be happy until everyone (but them) is impoverished in a five-square-foot tent on a perpetual Amish camp-out.
Lets see, if we tear down the highways - we get rid of gridlock traffic. Okay, using the same logic, if we end public housing and public assistance - we wipe out poverty!
The problem with most major urban freeway congestion are the slow drivers who refuse to travel in the right lanes and clog up the left inside passing lanes. There's nothing worse than someone driving 55 mph or slower in a 65 or 70 mph zone to quickly back up traffic. The other major problem is the lack of egress and exit ramps on some long sections of inner city freeways. Once the traffic begins to back up there is no close exit ramp to escape those congested areas and access the surface.... More
Sure, it would be great to get rid of all the highway expansions that blight our landscape. One problem. It throttles economic development. No development, no jobs. The reason for those highways is simple: people need to get to work. If people can't get to work, they move to where they can. Fewer jobs leads to fewer people, which leads to a lower tax base for the area, which leads to economic and urban blight, which leads to lower services such as police, fire, and other emergency services..... More
The reason adding lanes increases traffic is that the addition encourages people to move further away from the city center. Even if the same number of people are driving, the number of miles driven increases. After a highway to my town was completed, the population doubled in my town, and tripled in two other nearby towns.
The logic of solving traffic problems and the proof provided is similar to euthanizing everyone at age 35 to drastically cut down on cancer and heart disease.
Yes it solves the immediate problem but what is the big picture.
The problem with the experts is that some are employed to build more freeways and some are employed to build mass transit...then there are the environmentalists that start off in the right direction then get lost in thier religious beliefs....so thier.... More
The author of this article needs to read some Bastiat. Guess what: If you get rid of all of the roads you'll have 0 traffic congestion! But that is clearly not useful. This article largely ignores another important piece of information: throughput. Sure, the wider road might not reduce wait times, but throughput probably goes up. There's a supply and demand for road use. If a 12 lane road has an hour wait, then going to 4 lanes might give the same number of people a 2 hour wait. The marginal.... More
They had no intention to tear down the elevated section of the West-Side Highway. They finally realized they had to after a Back-Hoe fell through it. To many years of neglect. It got caught it mid air.
The depressed lanes that cut off the metro area from the waterfront should never have been built to begin with. They are building a new bridge over the river north of the city to accommodate I70 traffic.
I can only speak of my experiences driving in NYC & Buffalo. While I agree that the removal of the West Side Highway was a boon and think the removal of the Sheridan and Buffalo Skyway would be beneficial too, the larger problems are not being addressed. In select areas, highway removal is a great idea. Doing so has benefited the local economies, people are happy and the enviro-nazis, as they are so ignorantly referred to by some are praised for their efforts.
The larger issue is.... More
More roads is NOT the answer. Expanding mass transit is. The problem is, the idiots that run the MTA don't have a clue how to manage it. Cutting back service is not the way to fix it. Expanding service is.
What this article fails to acknowlege is that more traffic is what cities want. If you decrease traffic to the center of a city, you decrease customers, taxes and revenue. Sure congestion would be reduced, but at what price?
I have absolutely no idea where you live. In Manhattan, in Times Square, and Herald Square, were they've rerouted the traffic around them, there's been a major increase in income in the area. The tourists love being able to sit down, relax, get something to eat, in two of the top tourist spots in NYC. I can walk from the east river across Manhattan at 42nd street to the west side at 8 am, faster then I could get there by bus. Traffic is good for businesses?
Creating pedestrian only areas obviously helps those specific areas, but people have to be able to get close enough to those areas to be able to walk around in them. How good would business be in Times Square and Herald Square if the GWB and one of the tunnels were closed for a couple of months?
What this article fails to acknowlege is that more traffic is what cities want. If you decrease traffic to the center of a city, you decrease customers, taxes and revenue. Sure congestion would be reduced, but at what price?
another dumb idea by one of the eco=terrortists. This is about as stupid as putting teats on a boar hog.
So according to Mark, anyone that disagrees with his opinion is filled with "hate". Why win an argument with logic or being right, when you can just manipulate and insult people?
So you think the study lacks common sense, or it is common sense, you just don't like the conclusion? Say what you will, you clearly have some measure of anger here. Again, I don't really disagree with what you're saying, I guess. It's not always good to have fewer roads of course. It's the "enviro-Nazi" and liberal professors chopping off tops of heads idiocy that unfortunately invalidates anything sensical that you may have to add to the conversation. There's just something weird about.... More
I guess I need to spell it out more plainly. I was trying to make a point by being satirical, except the enviro-nazi part is true. I just think too many educational institutions are falsely "teaching" students about enviro subjects based on their personal beliefs. The science behind global warming models has been disproved, and the leaked emails from a couple of Kyoto summits ago proves that the data that was input in the models was biased for a global warming doomsday. The radical left is.... More
If Global warming isn't happening, why are the poles melting, why are the water levels in the oceans rising? Why is the Northwest Passage open. It wasn't until 2009, when enough of the ice pack melted, that regular shipping was possible. In 1924, it took 16 months by dog sled to cross what is now crossed by ships.
Explain that.one
Get off the crack man, it's scewing your what's lacking in America common sence. This isn't about GW, it's about MF-in' traffic.
Go roll another and burn one for me then get a life loser.
Are you so biased that you can't accept science and logic as factual evidence? Global warming is as plain as the nose on your face and the science behind it has been proven time and time again. To suggest otherwise makes you seem ignorant, biased and downright foolish. Watch Fox News lately?
Millions of people care about their environment and they are not liberal pansies and those who make the effort are not Nazis or Fascists. You don't have to believe them, despite their continual use.... More
Let me do some simple math, it took like 150my to capture all the carbon and store it in the ground. Man discoveres this bounty and releases quite a bit of it in the last 150yrs. Carbon is here as it always has been, we just changeed it's location. :o)
I believe that most of you who believe the hype about global warming should go back to school and take some geology classes. If you did you would learn that the climate history of earth has cycles. That is why there have been ice ages as well as times when the planet was warm enough for cold blooded reptiles(dinosaurs) to populate the planet. You can't take 100 years of climate data and draw any significant reliable result when you are talking about a planet that is millions of years.... More
Yeah I used to think that dinos were reptiles until the biomechanics and other data told me my chicken dinner last night was the ancestor of a dino...yummy stuff those dinos are. Oh, and climate data is as good as the over priviliged college kid who hasn't a clue collects for his "I think I am God to you students." professor asks him to collect. Get the picture anyone? It's all about the haves and have nots again. Normal folk think straighter than "Educated" folk because we don't have to.... More
Traffic can be entirely eliminated by using the Pukt Theory of Matter and Space to discover the ability to teleport yourself from one place to another by willpower.
This "study" can't see the forest for the trees. Even if this solution DOES relieve highway traffic (which I find dubious - you can find nearly ANY outcome you want in a study), it will just INCREASE bumber-to-bumber, stop-and-go, gas-wasting surface street traffic. That would be an environmental and quality-of-life disaster.
Please don't take these "studies" at face value, people.
I don't have the answer, but there's evidence that supports tearing down some freeways. Why not address the evidence? Instead commenters are just leaving hate-filled messages. I know who I agree with so far. Not hate.
The blogger's premise is that destroying roads ease congestion by FORCING people to travel elsewhere or take public transportation. This is the same logic they use with gas: high gas prices cut down emissions. DUH, But no thanks,
There! I disagree with you, therefore I must hate you! It's not hate speech, its a differing point of view, when populations grow, there has to be a way to accommodate for a larger number of people traveling from one place to another, for work, family, shopping etc. It's just hard to be nice to people who exercise NO COMMON SENSE!
Spoken like a true Enviro-Nazi. Just get rid of the roads, oh great, more traffic in neighborhood areas. Where do Liberals receive their logic? Some professor at a Lib university must have cut the top of this writer's skull off, removed the brain and boiled it in Hudson river water... I mean it's one thing to spin a story but this is taking it on a carnival ride. Get real!
Most of these issues concern big city problems. How about people who live in rural areas? We have no option to use public transportation as there is none. We can not carpool as the people I work with live in directions away from where I live. I drive 25 miles each way every day that I work. Most of my crew travels further than that.
They don't care about you or the members of your crew. The same people that advocate destroying transportation routes are the same ones that would like to have people live stacked on top of each other in cities and shuttled about via public transportation like sardines in a tin can.
I was promised 3D TV flying cars and hover boards! 1/3 is failing! get cracking scientists!
This sounds like a "Save the Whales, Kill the Humans" kind of solution. Perhaps better mass transit systems will help, but destroying highways create other problems. Sure, there will be no traffic is there is no highway, but that also means that people are not able to get to work or get goods to market as easily. Perhaps the reason traffic went down in the situations cited in this article was that the people and businesses took their investments elsewhere.
It appears that the logic of this proposal is that to eliminate road congestion you eliminate the road. And that the reason that the other roads that have to take up the additional traffic don't appear to become more congested is probably because drivers become so frustrated with the congestion that they think twice before they drive. This doesn't seem to be the practical way to increase mobility.
I also would love to hear more about the logic behind why this seems to work. I have an idea, but it's really just an idea. I'd love to hear more from the authors.
It might be that the lack of highways eliminates choke points and shortens the absolute distance of the trips. In a highway model, everyone who wants to go anywhere in a certain neighborhood needs to find a way on to a highway (which might be in the opposite direction from the destination), drive along the same stretch of.... More
Roads cause cars, Airports cause airplanes, baby beds cause babies? A lot of good arguments are based on assumptions.
You have to ask some simple questions to understand why there is traffic in the first place, and to understand why it increases.
1 Why are there so many people driving cars? answer – because public transportation does not work well. It does not provide the point to point transport of yourself and whatever you are carrying, groceries, tools, etc; with the timelyness or convenience of private transportation. Why should I have to set aside two hours, change busses twice, and hand.... More
From the reining sovereign of the car culture and traffic congestion, Los Angeles, comes this acute problem spanning almost two decades - the politicians, their consultants and contractors take one step forward, two steps back in making any progress. Before they can even think about freeway destruction, they have to find alternatives to moving 10 million people a day around the metro area. For 15 years they have developed a reasonably efficient rail system that plops the majority of riders.... More
If you watch 'New York: A Documentary Film', the series by Ric Burns, you'll see what I mean. In the episode focusing on Robert Moses, it's shown how 'the master builder of 20th century NYC' discovered that the more roads they built, the more traffic they created. In other words, the solution to excess consumption isn't in providing more items to consume. Funny, that.
Make sure to check out the effort to remove 1.4 miles of aging Interstate in downtown St. Louis: www.citytoriver.org. Nearly all downtown interests have signed on. The CNU labeled I-70 one of its "Freeways Without Futures," and each of the five final design teams in the ongoing effort to revitalize the St. Louis Arch and surrounding National Park endorsed the idea!



































