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Anti-church sentiment rises in Europe as more people seek 'de-baptism'
Websites offering informal 'de-baptism' certificates have ballooned to accommodate the increasing number of people who want to be removed from official baptismal registries.

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Bryan Nelson
Wed, Jan 18 2012 at 7:28 PM
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Child reluctantly being baptized

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A sharp decline in the numbers of church-goers and new baptisms over the last century in Europe has been called a "crisis of faith" by many religious leaders. Now that crisis is ballooning into a full-blown exodus, as thousands flock to new websites offering "de-baptisms," according to Voice of America.
 
The idea of getting "de-baptized"-- or having your name officially deleted from the baptismal registry-- is relatively new, but one which the Catholic Church is beginning to take seriously, and with grave concern.
 
The movement may have begun just a decade ago when Terry Sanderson, head of the National Secular Society in Britain, posted an unofficial "de-baptism certificate" on the society's website, mostly as a joke. To date it has been downloaded at least 100,000 times.
 
"It was a joke to begin with, but now it has taken on a new significance because there are so many people who are anxious to leave the church that they are actually taking it seriously now, and they want some way to make their break with the church formal," Sanderson told VOA. "Often the church won't acknowledge their desire to leave."
 
Many disenfranchised ex-parishioners have begun to take it a step further, seeking official, legal acknowledgement for de-baptism. For instance, 71-year-old Frenchman Rene Lebouvier recently filed a lawsuit against the church after his initial request to have his name crossed off the church's baptismal registry was denied. Last October, a lower court in Normandy ruled in his favor, making him the first man to be officially de-baptized, though a local bishop has filed an appeal.
 
Last year in Germany, a record 181,000 Catholics formally split from the church by legally opting out of paying state church taxes.
 
Christian Weisner, a spokesman for the international grassroots We Are Church movement, says he blames much of the de-baptism movement on public anger about church pedophilia scandals, though acknowledges that official church doctrine has also swayed against public opinion on many political issues, such as abortion, homosexuality and married priests.
 
"They are thinking about leaving the church and there might be one special event, like the pedophilia crisis, like a [conservative] announcement by the pope, and then they decide now is the time to go," Weisner said.
 
The movement shouldn't come as a surprise to the church, as official figures have shown a steep decline in religious participation in Europe over the last several decades. For instance, only about one in three French children are baptized today, compared to 90 percent half a century ago.
 
According to religion professor Philippe Portier of the National Center for Scientific Research in Paris, the church has put in place a new evangelizing strategy to more strongly encourage parents to get their children baptized. 
 
Such a proactive strategy may be for naught, however, if de-baptisms continue to increase.

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Me Oct 30 2012 at 12:16 AM

I would just like to say, I've been flagging any post that contains a Jesus rant. This is the 21st century and I find the fanatical belief in superstition to be offensive. This is especially the case when the people in question are proselytizing over the internet, essentially saying how much better their fairy tales are while a guest in the house of science.

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h.leckie2010 Sep 15 2012 at 3:20 AM

The Venus Project

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SFF Jul 09 2012 at 9:14 PM

How would one go about getting officially de-baptized in the US? Does anybody know?

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Tarrant Jul 10 2012 at 8:46 AM

You would probably need to contact the church where you were baptized to be removed from their baptismal rolls.

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Berni Jun 11 2012 at 1:47 AM

I live in Germany. Nobody de-baptizies here and I have never heard of anything mentioned in this disputable article.
I you quit being a member of a church and mean it, you will surely not look for any ritual or something similar.
Quitting being catholic in Germany goes as following: Go to you city hall, fill out some form - you're free and save a lot of money.

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miladd May 03 2012 at 10:49 PM
In Belgium it's about money. the state has religious taxes just like in Germany and if you are baptised or registered for any religious community that community will get funded in your name. So when you are an atheist you should change the register so that your community is benefited by your funds and not the one your parents chose for you. It seems logical to me. The spiritual aspects seem beyond discussion because people who don't want to belong to the church don't believe in the value of baptism.
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And if the church doesn't accept that for spiritual reasons and not financial ones I don't think it's of any real importance.
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Barbara Apr 22 2012 at 1:10 PM

Baptism creates a relationship between you and Christ. It does not make a bit of difference whether you chose it or not, whether you belong to a particular Christian denomination or not, whether you get your name taken off a list or a bit of paper. Spiritually speaking it is like a blood transfusion. There is NO WAY it can be reversed. And one day, probably at or after your own death, you will be glad and grateful that Christ will not let you go.

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Guest Apr 29 2012 at 5:22 PM

Ok, let's call 911

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Guest Apr 27 2012 at 8:31 AM

oh shut up.

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Enter your name Mar 28 2012 at 11:48 PM
I'm fine if you want to be Catholic or agnostic or atheist. But as a true Christian, I will not have the Catholic Church aligned with the true Christian Church. Also, before anyone jumps on that, most "Christian" churches aren't actually Christian either. True repentance of sins and faith in the saving grace of Jesus and OBEYING Him are what makes a Christian. Also, in obeying Him, Christians don't bomb abortion clinics or harrass homosexuals, so don't try to say that Christians do that. Sorry, not
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the real ones.
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Guest Apr 19 2012 at 3:03 PM

Hmmm Do I smell a "No True Scotsman" Logical Fallacy here? Face it the definition of a Christian is one who believes in Christ despite your claims to the contrary. You don't get to decide who is and who isn't a christian.

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James Smith Joã... Mar 30 2012 at 10:38 AM
Typical theist arrogance. Nothing but your particular set of delusional beliefs is correct. How amazing that nearly every sect says the same thing. The reality is, you're all wrong. There is no god, never has been, and with well over 2,000 "gods" in recorded history, that should be obvious to the most limited intelligence. But you have "faith". That means you believe it because you want to believe, not because there is any evidence for it or mountains of evidence against it. Then you whine
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you get no respect and rational people regard you with contempt and derision.
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Rodrigo Mar 29 2012 at 6:56 PM
Don't get me wrong but that comment is full of... things you dont want to know. What makes your particular taste of Christianity the "true" one? is it the oldest? Hardly, Catolic church is the oldest flavor of Christianity, since they are the extension of the old Roman empire official church. Does size matters? if that's so, then again you lost to Catholics. Or is it the most true? since religion is just a game of opinions, you can't tell, but since you are somewhat protestants, which is a fork from,
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guess who? Catholics. Yours is just a second generation mashup, or even third. So your beliefs are the mashup of the original protestans, who are in turn a mashup of the catholics, who in turn are a mashup or the original judaism, which in turn is a mashup of even older babylonian, egiptian, and greek myths. Again, "true Christian"? True what? And again with the "true" stuff, who is true? which particular sub-flavor in the "american" christianity (you guys seem to love that word), is the one that's a fountain of pure pureness and true truth? You sure about the last part on abortion clinics, and specially, on homosexuals? seems like you DO need a little quality time with your bible, specially leviticus. Hope you reply :)
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Enter your name Mar 29 2012 at 8:00 AM

sorry gona jump on it, any one who follows christ is a cristian, if you start that hole my christ is better than your christ you end up with belfast!, if you have a problim with catholics fine but you can not go round saying they are not christian. yours a pagan

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unindoctrinated Sep 13 2012 at 8:04 AM

"one who follows christ" or one who is a member of a church that claims to follow christ. If it's only the first description the True Christianity must be a tiny religion. There are very few churches that teach what the biblical Jesus taught, for obvious reasons if you comprehend the Bible. All semantics anyway, if he ever existed he was no more a god or prophet than any other conman or delusional person who thought they were.

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jimvsmij Mar 28 2012 at 5:47 PM

I'm looking forward to when I can be de-circumcised!

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Enter your name Mar 27 2012 at 9:45 PM

speaking as a European, what is this a story?, the only people who want this just want to annoy there family the rest of us just don't care if we are baptised or not after all it only means something to Christiansen most of the people i know are pagan and do not subscribe to the Abrahamic tradition's. see you all in Valhalla

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Katz Apr 15 2012 at 7:22 AM
The church doesn't want people removed from their roles because they'll lose political and social influence. As long as they can say X number of people are members then they feel they have some clout. However, when they have to say that we have fewer members each year they are very afraid that others will start taking a closer look at the reasons those people are not just wandering away from the church, but demanding that their names be removed from any association of the church. What religion
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definitely can NOT stand is close scrutiny. So, it's not just about the personal choices people are making, but how churches are using their names and membership numbers to uphold a false illusion that more people are buying the lies than really are.
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Tarrant Mar 28 2012 at 7:33 AM

It seems this applies to adults who were baptized as children and now have to pay church taxes. (Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland, Finland, Iceland, Italy collect church or congregational taxes-not an offering plate or tithe system selected into as a church going adult)

I suspect it isn't anti-religious feeling as much as it is anti-tax.

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unindoctrinated Sep 13 2012 at 8:15 AM

I doubt that has a lot to do with it but even so, what rational person would want their money going to fund the defense or relocation of pæderasts?

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ceg3 Jan 27 2012 at 11:04 AM

Atheism is no more logical than belief in a creator. Agnosticism would be an honest expression of ignorance. We simply don't know how the universe was created and only barely understand some of the laws of physics.

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Guest Mar 28 2012 at 12:31 PM

The fact that you can't prove there isn't a god doesn't make God's existence any more logical. I also can't prove there aren't unicorns.

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Guest Feb 01 2012 at 6:12 PM

I agree, I think the only really illogical thing is organized religion. Institutions are always corrupt and profit-oriented, so why would the Catholic church be any different?

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Guest Feb 01 2012 at 2:48 PM
We 'simply don't know' any of an infinite number of possibilities that could be named regarding reality -- fairies, ghosts, ufos, sea monsters, Bigfoot, mind reading, health benefits of 'insert-anything-here', any of the many ancient or recent versions of gods and/or supernatural powers, .... Are we required to consider all of them to the degree that we must say we are agnostic about them, or can they simply be off the table unless/until there is some sort of reasonable proof to consider? I think
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just off the table unless there is some reason otherwise is what most "atheist" people would see as their stand about God or Gods. Which basically means A-theist. Similarly, an a-fairy stand would not make you somehow against fairies; it would simply mean fairies are completely off your radar one way or the other. Because why should they be otherwise?
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Guest Coward Jan 22 2012 at 12:15 AM

Atheism is gaining popularity in great strides during the past few decades, and especially in the last two years. People are getting better educated, and are having problems believing in deities for which there is no evidence to proof they're real.

I know many people in my own circle of friends who have stopped following their religions (not only Catholics) and have reverted to atheism because it's clear and logical.

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