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My $5 electricity bill, redux
MNN's lifestyle blogger shares a snapshot of her latest low electricity bill.
Wed, Jan 12 2011 at 3:05 PM
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When I wrote about my low electricity bill, most people responded positively. Some asked curious questions about my apartment, others shared their own efforts to reduce energy costs, and yet others left encouraging messages to keep up the good work.
 
Then there were the haters.
 
Now, I generally resist writing back to unnecessarily negative commenters, trolls, and flamers — but I thought you might find it amusing to read about how angry some can get about other people saving energy. One confident but misinformed reader who went by the handle “itsme” wrote:
every electric company in the usa has a minimum charge, it is impossible that you only had a $5.00 bill, you may have lowered it somewhat, but you lowered your standard of living to that of someone on the street along with it.
A Nicholas Maniatis was equally incredulous. He wrote on Facebook:
I… call SHAM on the $5… you haven’t referenced any blogger or website and have given NO data… Your posting is WORTHLESS without credible documentation. MNN is a sham when it comes to credibly documenting their assertions. Siel Ju… yes… this is a BS call. Show your bills for a 6-month period.
Well if you read the post, Nicholas, you know that I don’t have bills for a 6-month period because I only started getting bills when I moved a few months ago. At my old apartment, electricity was included in the rent — so moving finally gave me a chance to see how much energy I was really saving.
 
In any case — Without further ado: Here’s another snapshot of my last electricity bill.
 
5350071552 4b0c3c4e74 My $5 electricity bill, redux

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anonymous
Stephen Aug 11 2011 at 11:08 PM
Hi there, I moved a few months ago to a 1 bedroom condo in Southern California. Got my bill for the month and was excited to open it...total was $4.75. Would love to post it so you can show it is possible. Most of my light is from my ceiling fan which has an energy saving bulb. I watch a lot of tv and surf the net from my Itouch. I also turn off the power strips when not in use. And I even let the dvr run overnight to record some late night shows. I just make sure to power everything off before
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leaving for work in the morning. And I also have a mini fridge, since it's only me here. All appliances get unplugged when not in use and I kick myself when I come home and realize I left something plugged in.
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Guest Jan 22 2011 at 6:58 PM
I'm guessing you live in a small apartment somewhere with very mild weather. I live in East TN and have a small 800 sf house, well shaded to help keep it cool in the summer. I use gas heat and my electric bill averages $50 or less year round. I use a washer but not a dryer. I live alone, cook, use a computer all day, but rarely turn on the tv or anything else. I prefer a window fan for fresh air and only turn on the AC if it hits 88 indoors. I have taken similar steps to reduce my bill and the
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lowest I ever got it was $19, and that included a $9 customer charge. My kwh rate is $0.096. So my point is that I believe you could have reduced your bill to $5 per month. Good going :)
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Liz Jan 14 2011 at 2:46 PM

Hi! I just started following your blog, and I wanted to say that you gave me some really good ideas. The point isn't whether all of us across the country can get our bills down to $5, but by how much each of us can reduce our own individual electricity use. I've been looking into using some of Protecol's products, and I think you gave me the push I needed to get it done. Thank you!

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timallard Jan 13 2011 at 11:54 AM
Modern architecture is missing the use of thermal-mass in design, like some adobe homes that stay cool all summer without air-conditioning, thermal-mass in enough volume resists change to a room's temperature. This can be engineered but isn't, thermal fluids can be used to move heat or cold around a house, called "ductless" and uses insulated pipes & tubing instead of air, this is about 13-times more efficient. The product lines to do this are what I work on for when the funding hits sustainable
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and these get to big-box stores. Until then they can be put together, but it's too much for an average person to be feasible. Most heat-cold is lost in corners, through studs, the foundation & floor (heated air rises but heat radiates so the room being hotter loses heat down as well that way. Basically our homes radiate their difference in temperature, heating the outside in winter, cooling it in summer and we pay the bill, all the insulation can do is slow it down, there's no thermal-mass to store too much thermal energy to make it hard to change temperature at all, that's the idea. Thermal-mass can be sandbags, water, stone or dense bricks put in the sunny spot in winter and a dark corner in summer for the best effect, that's all there is to working with an existing home, find where and how much works for a room and make it look good to live with it. A properly design home using thermal-mass uses only 10% of the thermal inputs the same building needs without it. An existing home can easily reduce their needs to about 1/3rd of current usage by applying wainscots of bricks and such to external walls, no other changes to lifestyle to save energy this is just for the physical building. We fail to have the products to heat from below using fluid transfer at the moment, so, using baseboard units below the bricks seems most efficient per watt of what's available, but you get the idea, putting the heat below the thermal-mass to add energy, a wainscot being low in the room will naturally stay cool so likely won't need cooling in summer for most rooms. I have way too much engineering and design work on this ... but keep in mind our homes are just a money game, historical archeologists documented boom-to-bust cycles since the Civil War in Phoenix, AZ, to the present day this pattern is holding.
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timallard Jan 13 2011 at 11:43 AM
Modern architecture is missing the use of thermal-mass in design, like some adobe homes that stay cool all summer without air-conditioning, thermal-mass in enough volume resists change to a room's temperature. This can be engineered but isn't, thermal fluids can be used to move heat or cold around a house, called "ductless" and uses insulated pipes & tubing instead of air, this is about 13-times more efficient. The product lines to do this are what I work on for when the funding hits sustainable
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and these get to big-box stores. Until then they can be put together, but it's too much for an average person to be feasible. Most heat-cold is lost in corners, through studs, the foundation & floor (heated air rises but heat radiates so the room being hotter loses heat down as well that way. Basically our homes radiate their difference in temperature, heating the outside in winter, cooling it in summer and we pay the bill, all the insulation can do is slow it down, there's no thermal-mass to store too much thermal energy to make it hard to change temperature at all, that's the idea. Thermal-mass can be sandbags, water, stone or dense bricks put in the sunny spot in winter and a dark corner in summer for the best effect, that's all there is to working with an existing home, find where and how much works for a room and make it look good to live with it. A properly design home using thermal-mass uses only 10% of the thermal inputs the same building needs without it. An existing home can easily reduce their needs to about 1/3rd of current usage by applying wainscots of bricks and such to external walls, no other changes to lifestyle to save energy this is just for the physical building. We fail to have the products to heat from below using fluid transfer at the moment, so, using baseboard units below the bricks seems most efficient per watt of what's available, but you get the idea, putting the heat below the thermal-mass to add energy, a wainscot being low in the room will naturally stay cool so likely won't need cooling in summer for most rooms. I have way too much engineering and design work on this ... but the point is this, from historical archeological studies in Phoenix, AZ, it was proven that every ten years since the Civil War there have been boom-n-bust cycles in housing where the middle-class is emptied into poverty and the rich stay about the same, every ten years since 1868 or so ... put that up against the pit house, the hogan and adobe that works and our housing is in scientific terms some 100-times less efficient thermally. Engineering in thermal-mass into housing could have been done in the engineering bloom of the 1930's, almost a century ago as far a techincal requirements to predictively do it. There is no Liberal money left here in America ... it was crucified by a parasitic, captive-market capitalism feeding off of monthly bills and boom-n-bust cycles where the wealth of the middle-class is taken from them and moved to the rich, every ten years like clockwork.
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SMoore Jan 13 2011 at 11:09 AM

Sounds like to me some people are upset that they are so wasteful....I am going to run and unplug and make sure all the lights are off. I think it would be interesting to see what difference the light bulbs make, you should do a test and let us know.

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anonymous
Mon Jan 13 2011 at 7:41 AM

You have nothing listed on this bill. What about state taxes, city taxes and the main charge that everyone pays. You live in a warm place where no heat is needed most of the time. What about the basic cnarge just for being hooked up to Edison? Why not show us the rest of the bill?

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EssieBea Jan 13 2011 at 2:01 AM
My electric bill (all electric 2500 sf home) used to have more than $5.03 in surcharges and other random fees before it even gets to the actual usage. We switched to a co-op and those type of charges are less, and there is a "refund" at the end of the year spread over 2 months that's usually equal to around $500.00. Our winter bill runs around $250+/- and in the months from April-October when the temps are from 80-100+ it can run up to $400. We do all of the things you recommend, fanatically turning
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out lights, unplugging appliances, fans, using the right bulbs and buying Energy Star appliances, and keeping the thermostat as cold/hot as we can stand it.
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bill Jan 13 2011 at 12:39 AM

I looked at u power compny web site they charge a base charge of .75 pr day for apts yet ur bill doesn't show this so someone else is paying this in ur apt complex. I can bet u r paying it in ur rent for living in a small apt. where an average home is over 1000 sf. I find it strange they also don't show how much power u used as they all do

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