12 myths about electric vehicles and 4 New Year's resolutions, too
SUN POWER: This EV is recharging from Red Hook, Brooklyn, solar panels, not a coal plant. (Photo: Beautiful Earth)
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Posted By Gab - Fri, Jan 29 2010 at 6:07 AM ESTPublic transport
I think the real answer is public transport in the cities. Electric cars don't change the fact that if everyone in this planet would like to own a car, no matter what energy source we would employ, we would still completely destroy our environment.
Posted By Yaron - Thu, Jan 28 2010 at 5:53 AM ESTAre Batteries dangerous to the passengers?
Are the batteries of the EV dangerous to the passengers?
Posted By Erik - Sun, Jan 24 2010 at 2:49 PM ESTEverything to consider
In addition to Lawrence: how green exactly are the batteries used for 'green vehicles'? Can the industry ascertain complete recycling of all the components and chemicals used? Same goes for all the materials used to construct the car.
I think concentrating on the type of fuel alone is too narrow a focus. Interesting would be if the ambition of the green car-industry would be to produce 'closed-circuit-cars', that are efficient in all perspectives and *nearly* annihilate damage to the.... More
Posted By Larry - Wed, Jan 20 2010 at 1:37 PM EST12 myths about electric vehicles
Um...we wouldn't need to worry about gas, electric, coal...well power in general...quite so much if we could figure out how to sterilize the human race. I'm not suggesting everyone "off'"themselves, just quit making humans. "Modern man" cannot live in harmony with earth and nature. Well we could actually, like the American Indians did for thousands of years, but have chosen not to. We have forfeited our right to exist. Sorry. We're trying to fix the wrong problem.
Posted By chuckie cheese - Wed, Feb 03 2010 at 6:40 AM ESTMaybe you coud find harmony in the earth
"...if we could figure out how to sterilize the human race"
Sterilization can be voluntary. I suggest you start with yourself and don't worry about the whole human race! Good grief.
Posted By Anonymous - Mon, Jan 18 2010 at 5:38 AM ESTRationalization
Some of these answers remind me of some bad rationalizing.. Instead of hitting the issue like taking the battery a long time to charge head on, you just say "you'll be sleeping anyways". Don't get me wrong, I'm all for electric vehicles, It just makes you sound like with the technology we have today we are still in fact inept to be able to roll out a full fledged EV fleet of vehicles.
Posted By Cole - Sat, Jan 16 2010 at 1:02 PM ESTlol
So, think of it this way. If you are plugging your car in to an electrical outlet, where is that "clean power" coming from? Just because we will no longer have combustion engines, we will still have combustion factories that produce the power. Just seems there's a few people who are jealous of the profits of oil companies, and want that profit for themselves. If we could use wind or solar to power these cars, then it will at least make sense... But as long as there is a coal burning power plant.... More
Posted By Kildar - Sat, Jan 16 2010 at 12:21 PM ESTUntil 1922 i believe
There were steam, electric, and gasoline powered cars. The Gasoline Engine won out. why? Range, durability, and longevity.
Point, set, match.
It'll happen all over again.
Posted By Eugen Schilter - Fri, Jan 15 2010 at 8:07 PM ESTEV a niche only
It's hard to conceive a more efficient use of energy than a diesel motor car in cold or rainy condition: 20% of the energy is used for propulsion, 30% are inevitable losses and a full 50% is used for heating/demisting. EV cars in such condition are big energy wasters as they need an additional combustion heater. They will have to fight for a niche. Your myth busting trial has comprehensivly invigorated them! EV are a niche contribution only. Competitive public transport is a more substantial.... More
Posted By CanadianChris - Thu, Jan 14 2010 at 12:37 PM ESTStill pointless for cold environments
Enter your comments here
As mentioned above,
Until an electric car can defrost windshields and provide cabin heat, run wipers and headlights, as well as provide practical mileage, at an economical price, we simply have a non-starter for much of the world that doesn't live near the equator.
Posted By KYforester - Thu, Jan 14 2010 at 12:30 PM ESTKy Mining
Have you ever considered where these metals come from to make the batteries? have you ever been to a strip mine where they mine coal? I have, and in eastern Kentucky its destroying mountains and degrading water quality. Increasing demand for electricity on coal power plants means more flattened mountains and a greater loss in biodiversity. Producing and charging these EV cars is more detrimental to the environment than a chevy suburban would be in its entire life. Also Global warming is a.... More
Posted By Anonymous - Wed, Jan 13 2010 at 12:32 PM ESTShutup Liberal Hippies
All you "global warming" fear mongers need to stop watching Al "I invented the internet" Gore's crapumentary and start doing some research of your own. And I mean real research. Just googling it does not count as real research. Having done some research, I can tell you that yes, there has been a slight rise in temperature, just like there has been before in the earth's life. At the current temperature rise, it will take centuries before we even feel a noticable difference. What happened to.... More
Posted By alzyee - Fri, Jan 08 2010 at 12:12 PM ESTRe:10. There isn't enough lithium in the world to make all the n
It is not the lithium you have to worry about it the other rare metals like neodymium needed to make the batteries and other electronics.
Posted By Fred - Thu, Jan 07 2010 at 10:26 AM ESTRange finder
My parents live 350 miles away and when I visit them I drive, so 120 mile range really isn't good enough.
Posted By Former Skeptic - Wed, Jan 06 2010 at 1:05 PM ESTBattery panel in the Tesla electric car
Has anyone else seen the battery panel in the new Tesla electric car? It appears to be a panel of lots of "watch" batteries. They claim they are easy to replace, aren't "wet", and weigh less (even in the volume used.)
Posted By Anonymous - Wed, Jan 06 2010 at 11:06 AM ESTMore BS
I will buy an electric car when I can drive it to ski slopes.-where it will defrost the windows of ice and keep me warm without losing the precious charge needed to get back home...
Posted By canibal - Thu, Jan 07 2010 at 11:43 AM ESTmoron
If people don't start adopting more energy efficient alternatives then there wont be any ski slopes. Or are you one of those simpletons who denounce global warming.
Posted By Jacob - Wed, Jan 13 2010 at 12:22 PM ESTSimpletons
Or are you just another Lemming who follows the masses and thinks that we can have such a mass effect on an ENTIRE planet that has been around fore many, many years.
Posted By cannibal - Tue, Jan 26 2010 at 4:31 AM ESTdumb troll
Hey, **** for brains, theres numerous natural phenomena that effects the ENTIRE (nice caps) planet—gravity, atmosphere, the moon. But why am I wasting my time addressing some tool with quotes like" planet that has been around fore many, many years. Has it been around "fore" (sp! idiot) and many years ??? yeah, Uh , yuh think? Try many, many millennia.
Posted By John - Wed, Jan 06 2010 at 8:45 AM ESTFact or speculation?
Please don't confuse fact with speculation - or twist your facts as you did. There are decent responses to those "myths" but you failed to produce them.
I've owned 2 EV's and ridden to the top of Pikes Peak in another. I'm an electronics technician - and I'm not impressed with your misleading "facts" as answers to those questions. Stop with the spin and do your homework next time.
Posted By Dale - Wed, Jan 06 2010 at 8:34 AM ESTLithium poly battery
This article proposes that all EVs will have Lithium Ion batteries--in particular lithium cobalt. Lead acid batteries are superior in regards to charge density, efficiency and number of recharge cycles however the obvious disadvantage is weight which reduces the range. More batteries increase range but also decrease range due to increased weight. You have to find a happy medium regardless of what kind of battery you chose.
The best battery so far that provides a high current density,.... More
Posted By landmagget - Wed, Jan 06 2010 at 8:23 AM ESTrecharge
How much does it cost to recharge the battery over night?
Posted By john steers - Wed, Jan 06 2010 at 8:09 AM ESTMore BS
When my car computer says I have 40 miles of fuel left, I consider my gas tank empty. This stuff is a crock that I will not fall for. I am sitting in record cold temperatures (30 degrees in Ft. Myers this morning) with the entire country in the coldest winter snap in decades. Global warming is a manufactured fantasy that is being forced on an educated public.
I am an avid cyclist, I love the outdoors, and I do my best to minimize my carbon footprint. But I will continue to drive.... More
Posted By wakeup - Thu, Jan 07 2010 at 11:54 AM ESTjackass
You impossibly simple little person! Its in the phrase—Global Warming. Global. Not Ft. Myers warming. Global conditions are tending over decades of record keeping to tend to warmer temps. But no lets not listen to a huge majority of climate scientists (Over 97% of climate scientists) lets use the data provided by the douche bag in Ft. Myers. You are so close minded right there with the people who denounced opinions that the earth was round.
Posted By Kildar - Sat, Jan 16 2010 at 12:17 PM ESTMoron
Thats why the BBC reported no rise in temperature over the last eleven years? Right! i live in Texas, we've had RECORD cold temperatures. So has the rest of the goddamned state. TEXAS.
Its LARGE. it is supposed to be HOT. the coldest winter we had prior to this was mid 40s. It was 9 yesterday! 9!
Comprende? Get your head out of the sand and look around!
Posted By kalsted - Wed, Jan 06 2010 at 7:50 AM ESTmyth
you just proved the point. You can't drive more than 40 miles if you plug in at home overnight; you can't drive 120 on a trip. If I go anywhere to visit family and friends I go more than 120 miles round trip. All of the battery "cost" and improvements are "in the future" When's that? Sure a $45 calculator in 1976 is 3>99 now - 30 years and more than a generation later, that didn't help in 1977,8,9 80, 81 etc. You just reinforced the notion that the cars are strictly urban vehicles for short.... More
Posted By Matty - Fri, Jan 01 2010 at 9:36 PM ESTElectric Schmectric
Why are electric cars even being discussed anymore? Hydrogen is the end-all, be-all. Electrify water, get hydrogen...emissions: water.
Won't have to worry about where the pollution is coming from, where to plug in, where to this/that. Put water in your tank & go. The only reason we're talking about electric vehicles is due to the monopolies can't make money off of water! Which is an even bigger conspiracy the killing the electric car in the other vids you've seen (referring to Uncle B's.... More
Posted By William - Wed, Jan 06 2010 at 5:19 PM ESThydrogen
Hydrogen cars are being waved in front of our faces by big oil so we'll be satisfied with tech that has been 10 years down the road for 30 years now. Electric cars are here TODAY. If you have to commute more than 50 miles a day consider moving. For the trips to the slopes rent a plugin hybrid or EV with a range extender.
Posted By Anonymous - Thu, Jan 14 2010 at 11:25 AM ESTreally...
If you have to commute more than 50 miles a day you should move?! Man that electric car sure is easy, just let me sell my home on this market, move and endure all the hassles that are associated with it, and then i can buy an electric car! WOO!
dumbshit
Posted By Former Skeptic - Wed, Jan 06 2010 at 12:58 PM ESTNot really true.
Enter your comments here
Generating hydrogen from water requires significant non-green energy with current technology, so it's not really as viable as you might think. Also still has a lot of challenges in storage for cars. I had the opportunity to view a demo of the hydrogen BMW 7 series--Quite cool, but not very practical, and most importantly, NOT eco-friendly when you account for the back energy source to produce the hydrogen. Maybe in another couple of decades.
Posted By JPnSD - Mon, Jan 04 2010 at 8:20 PM ESTHydrogen ain't GHG friendly my friend
Presently, you start with Natural gas and send it through a steam reformer (add yet more fuel to power this) to get hydrogen. How does that make sense from a cost perspoective or enbvironmental perspective??
Posted By Gman - Sun, Jan 03 2010 at 4:22 AM ESTNot quite
Matty, hydrogen cars don't run on water, they produce water vapor as exhaust. And electrolyzing hydrogen from water takes as much or more energy as it gives off. I don't know what "monopolies" you think are conspiring here, no company has a monopoly on lithium batteries.
Posted By Paul Scott - Mon, Dec 28 2009 at 1:43 PM ESTMore on batteries
Lawrence's comment about battery cost coming down as merely speculation isn't quite true. We've already seen significant reduction in costs across the board and with the billions of new investment globally, the cost of LiIon cells for vehicles continues to drop. Also, the secondary use of these batteries for utility energy storage will be factored in the the economic equation making the numbers even better for plug-ins.
Posted By Uncle B - Mon, Dec 28 2009 at 12:19 PM ESTInformed America
Google, torrent, the movie "Who Killed The Electric Car" for even more information on Electric Cars!
Posted By Lawrence - Sun, Dec 27 2009 at 2:34 PM ESTMore to consider
Please consider the EV range is reduced in cold temperatures. This occurs for all battery chemistry types: Lead acid, NiCad, NiMH, and LiIon.
Please consider at this time, the cost of the battery still makes the EV very unattractive compared to a conventional automobile. The statement in the article is speculation.
Will the EEStor research company make an economical battery replacement with thier EESU? I hope so. The rumors are it will last greater than your lifetime with millions.... More


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Oil too
"... existing lithium stores will be sufficient for projected EV production for the next 75 years."
And when you say the exact same thing about oil, the greens say,"See! We can't count on oil as a long term solution! Ahhhh! We're all gonna die! Ahhhh!"
Lithium however, must be magic, I guess.